On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 2:39 PM, deloptes <deloptes@...> wrote: > I am amazed in what is going on with KDE, X and many other projects, where > people, who thing they know and can better are trying to live out their > view of the world. At the end nothing works. At least Gnome did this like > about 15 years ago, so that even if stupid, it is one of the lightest and > easiest environments. You are kidding, right? What about the whole Gnome 3 mess with the Mate & Cinnamon forks(like TDE)? Granted, it wasn't as messy as KDE4, but they still decided to do something similar. > I am sure some of those people and projects will fail and some of them will > bring it to a successfull end. Lets wait and see where it will go. > I started using TDE exactly because I do not like replacing something ugly > and working for something cool and nice but not working. My choice is to > have a stable and working system nothing more and nothing less. > When Wayland grows up, I don't mind giving it a chance. I'm sure the people > who are behind know what they are doing and why, so it will be a matter of > time and the TDE philosophy is not to rush for new stuff. > In fact it is pretty hard to keep the project up to date The biggest problems are: 1. Using an update/new version to force new & unwanted features.(Android and iOS are famous for this) 2. Programmers preferring to code new stuff over fixing problems. 3. Programmers that don't use what they code for real production work. I used KDE3 on openSUSE untill TDE become a better alternative. Unfortunately, most people aren't very tech-savy and just get over it and use it. Windows 10 is a prime example. Force people to "upgrade" by making it difficult to not do it. I remember one of the arguments on the openSUSE lists about the KDE4 instabilities was that you needed to use the update repo over the standard to get the newer fixes. When I pointed out that a lot of people probably didn't have a clue how to do that, it was met with disbelief. That and when KDE4 was being pushed out I was told repeatedly to get with the future and get over it. Just like being told I need to upgrade my computer to meet what they feel I should use. My main laptop is a circa 2006 thinkpad, and before this I used a P3 Thinkpad T30p till 2011. So much is being pushed on users because it's the "future" like systemd, the "semantic desktop"(WTF is that and WHY DO I NEED IT???? - still don't get it), beagle(which is dead), avahi(utterly useless), etc, etc. There's a lot of things that can be fixed in the Linux ecosystem(removing dependencies or just including them in the program), duplication of work(each distro customizes firefox and supports multiple versions).....I could go on. But what happens is someone wants to replace something that works and expects everyone to jump on the bus and use it regardless of whether it A. works, and B. offers something useful to the user not just the programmer. Anyway, rant off.