On Tue, 8 Aug 2017, Nick Koretsky wrote: > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 02:36:46 -0400 (EDT) > Felmon Davis <davisf@...> wrote: > >> >> ok, that's progress; still tiny fonts in the menus of GTK apps but >> also elsewhere, e.g. in some menus of Firefox still; tiny icons on >> 'kicker' and elsewhere. strange tiny fonts on the opening page of >> Trinity Control Center. >> >> I need to figure out GTK. > > > I noticed that in you entire quest you never mentioned /etc/fonts > and/or ./config/fontconfig. There is a dpi property that if set in configs > will override what is requested by application. search for 'name="dpi"' > through all fontconfig files to check if you have not set it somewhere. so I've looked about, not sure I've found every nook and cranny, but haven't found settings in the places you've mentioned and elsewhere. have made some progress though. (1) I took measure of the screen; I think I could have used Felix's page but stumbled on <https://www.infobyip.com/detectdisplaysize.php> 9.6" diagonal; 8.3" width; 4.7" heigth I set '/etc/X11/xorg.conf/90-monitor' to: DisplaySize 294 165 (2) I turned off 'Force fonts DPI' in the Trinity Control Center and set dpi to 190 via echo Xft.dpi: 190 | xrdb -merge (3) did some settings in 'GTK Styles and Fonts' in TCC; GTK2 fonts are supposed to use Sans Serif 15, Redmond is style; GTK3 is on style TraditionalOk. fooled around re-sizing 'kicker' and with configs in some programs case by case. these measures cleared up most but not all problems. some programs still misbehave: (a) Gimp and LibreOffice have grotesquely large menu fonts. still can't quite find pertinent gtk or program settings. I have install Apache Office yet. (b) icons are too small in Pan; probably something can be fixed in its config. not terribly important. some other icons elsewhere also small. I believe there are a couple of other issues I don't find now in my notes. of course I haven't opened everything that's been installed by default, most of which I will remove anyway. ah, e.g. I see something called 'Music Player' has teeny fonts. I likely won't use it but I'm discontent that I haven't developed a more systematic way to get control of the interface. I guess some of this requires program-by-program skirmishing. I'll explore more and pin things down. Cinnamon runs ok; next run I'll reconnoitre its gtk settings. thank everyone for advice and help. f. -- Felmon Davis Most people are too busy to have time for anything important.