I started to write about this under the post about upgrading and transitioning from Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie. That would only confuse matters, however, so I am posting it here as a somewhat interesting diversion; or perhaps as an account of the morbid psychology of wannabe computer hackers on a quest for things that they know they probably can never attain and certainly ought never desire. Anyway ... here is an account of my dabbling in the black arts. On the Debian pages they warn against creating a FrankenDebian: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian/ Too late! I already popped that cherry a long time ago. And in the course of my experiments, I tried installing a dual-boot system on a 64 GB flash drive. At that time, my desktop computer had just got fried by a massive power surge that knocked out the electricity in about one-third of the city here. It took me months to get a new motherboard and other parts that I needed. In the meanwhile, I was given an old Sony Vaio laptop by a friend, so that I could continue working in the real world on various writing and other projects, for which I have deadlines. So I concocted this evil plan, in order to keep at least one of my operating systems actually operating, while on other partitions I experimented with various operating systems (although my heart was set on something GNU/Linux). The only reason I ever made a separate boot partition is that I was doing some experimentation with installing a dual-boot system on a 64 GB flash drive, from which I ran my laptop. I was trying to create a system that I could use to boot up any computer from that flash drive. I am glad to report that everything worked pretty well (running 1. Debian Jessie and 2. various other systems). So instead of the partitions you see listed above, I had it set up like so: 1st drive sda1 = / 30 (various operating systems, sometimes my old Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04; later other OSs, mostly Debian-like) sda2 = swap (4 GB) sda3 = /home - #2 to go with sda1 (216 GB) (This was a 250 GB hard drive) 2nd drive But everything booted from this drive: sdb1 = / - Debian Jessie with TDE (30 GB) This eventually became my main system, which I then transferred to my desktop computer (via flash drive), once I got it working again. sdb2 = /boot (2 GB) sdb3 = swap (4 GB) sdb4 = /home (to go with sdb1) 28 GB (This was a 64 GB flash drive.) When one OS was booted, the corresponding partitions on the other OS were left unused, and vice-versa; although I could always open konqueror or other file managers as root, and transfer stuff back and forth when needed. Or it was something like that, give or take a few GB, with a separate boot partition, so that everything booted from the same partition; with the added bonus that the laptop could not be booted unless I inserted the flash drive. The two different OSs shared the boot partition and swap, but I found that when I tried sharing a home directory, everything got messed up. However, I cannot use it to boot other computers (yet), but I am still working on this problem. That's why I started making a separate boot partition, so that I could solve all these various problems, learn a new operating system (as I had been using various 'buntus), and keep working, all while using a laptop and a couple flash drives. If anybody has anything to offer - for instance, how to make any computer boot from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful, as the experiment has been mostly successful otherwise. Bill On Friday 16 March 2018 14:27:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Freitag, 16. M�rz 2018 schrieb William Morder: > > > If your home folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have > > > some work to do :-) > > > > Yeah ... I copied my home folder to another hard drive (a precaution for > > whenever I am about to experiment, or do something stupid); so that it > > would be possible to make my home folder something like sdb3, etc. ... if > > that is what you mean. > > exactly. that's a good way not to loose your data :-) > > > Most of my important files are kept elsewhere, on other hard BIG drives; > > the root partion and home folder are installed on a 100 GB hard drive. > > And I only use the home folder for temporary files, which will eventually > > get moved to one of those other places. Otherwise, the only real purpose > > of my home folder is to keep all my settings intact. > > > > If I follow what you're saying, then I could partition that 100 GB hard > > drive something like: > > sda1 = / > > sda2 = /boot > > sda3 = swap > > > > But that seems like a waste of space, as even a generous root partition > > has never been bigger than about 30 GB, and a boot partition is maybe 2 > > or 3, and maybe 4-6 GB for swap -- which leaves at least 60 GB for what? > > > > Or maybe something else would be better? Then I could use a partition on > > sdb as my home folder? > > Space is cheap. Anyhow, you most likely will never use swap. And /boot does > not need to be on a seperate partition, just keep it on /. You can always > resize/create/erase partitions with gparted (puppylinux comes in handy for > this), so it essentilly does not matter with what size you start, you can > always change that later. 20GB for / is OK, make the rest /home. But before > installing a new OS, please copy /home/your-user to > /home/copy-of-your-user - and check twice that you use the right partition > :-) > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Bill > > > > > > My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs pretty much like I want, > > > > except for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I > > > > really want to go back to using sysvinit. > > > > > > > > Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a > > > > complete reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I > > > > enable Devuan repositories (and disable Debian), then do something > > > > like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > or whatever? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just > > > follow the guide > > > https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section > > > "Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on a > > > X11 terminal. > > > > > > Nik > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > trinity-users-unsubscribe@... For additional > > commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@... Read list > > messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > > Please remember not to top-post: > > http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting