On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:17:38 William Morder wrote: > On Saturday 17 March 2018 23:58:25 Felix Miata wrote: > > William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19 (UTC-0700): > > > I did give the list a look, and it is impressive; however, it isn't > > > GNU/Linux (or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix). > > > > > > http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html > > > > 1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either - > > no Mint, no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity > > certainly isn't mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that > > very limited list (of distros I never even heard of) important to you? > > I don't want to use proprietary or non-free software. Trinity is included > in a number of GNU/Linux distros, including exegnulinux, GnuSense, some > Devuan, etc. TDE, so far as I know, is free/libre by design. Trinity isn't > in that list because it is not an operating system, but only a desktop > environment. Anyway, I told you that I wasn't a purist; I use Trinity > because it works better for me. > > > 2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable for anyone wishing to run > > gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other > > purposes dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be > > installed, that's not how I use it. > > It might be useful to me for that reason, because it has other tools. I > only need a live disc for repartitioning at this particular time, not for > long term. However, I won't knock it without having tried the most recent > version, because I might find those tools useful at some point. > > > 3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because of special software > > that enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free > > download, just like Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12 > > that are on that list. > > Free as in freedom, not free as in free beer. It is not just the cost, but > also what I am legally allowed to do with my software. Software that is > non-free or proprietary specifically forbids modifying the code, or using > it in a manner other than that for which it was intended (i.e., "hacking" > in the original sense of the word, as opposed to "cracking", which is doing > illegal stuff like breaking into networks or other people's computers). I > only want to be able to make my system do whatever I want, and to modify > software if I so choose. > > > 4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity should be usable on a HD > > installation of it without special effort. > > No special effort. I just want what I want. > By the way, Knoppix includes systemd in that list: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dvd/packages-dvd.txt That's why I am making the switch to Devuan, because I don't like how systemd runs. There is a lot of controversy around this particular item, and I am not qualified to speak to the details. However, from what I understand, it's very big, and either involves a lot of dependencies that are non-free, or includes components that are non-free, and due to its size there are all kinds of things about it which cannot be verified by the community, and apparently Debian admins & devs have no intention of making it better. So there is this surge towards Devuan, and some other distros like it (for example, Refracta). All I know is, my system hangs up, especially when I am trying to shutdown, and it always shows systemd doing something for ever, and never completing that task; it can go on for hours like this. Much easier just to change to sysvinit, and own my own computer again. But like you said, I don't need to install Knoppix, just to use the tools on the disc. I could probably use the Debian live DVD in the same manner, as it also has gparted; but I rather like booting up a disc that only does one thing, and does it well. Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > trinity-users-unsubscribe@... For additional > commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@... Read list > messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: > http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting