On Sunday 29 April 2018 14:34:09 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb William Morder:
> > On Sunday 29 April 2018 11:32:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Am Sonntag, 29. April 2018 schrieb Greg Madden:
> > > > protonmail offers (extra cost) a vpn service, afaik,  vpn secures the
> > > > mail from man in the middle, ie. isp's, compromised routers, etc.
> > > > Encryption leaks some info enroute making vpn neccessary, not an
> > > > extra.
> > > >
> > > > $.02
> > > > Greg Madden
> > >
> > > Well, I'm not a friend of vpn services. On one hand, i's harder to
> > > mantain than ssh. On the other, it does not provide with any
> > > improvement over e.g. sshuttle. And on one foot, I do not trust vpn
> > > salestalk since it has bitten me more than once... (see, I have still
> > > one foot left for standing :-) )
> > >
> > > Nik
> >
> > I agree. VPN = snake oil. Maybe not always, but VPNs promise more than
> > they can deliver. I trust more in the anonymity of Tor (and take my
> > chances with rogue actors and man-in-the-middle attacks), than to suppose
> > that privacy and security can be bought.
> >
> > There also won't ever be some magic bullet or perfect solution; it will
> > always be like cat-and-mouse. Encryption keeps getting better, and
> > cracking tools also get better, and that's how it will be. I just hope
> > for relative success, to leave few data traces "out there", but I don't
> > imagine that I am invisible.
> >
> > Bill
>
> You know what's the funniest part of all of this? Realy bad guys don't use
> encryption at all - and get away with it.
>
> Nik

If you work for the government, or wear a badge, there is no need to hide what 
you do to bad guys, as long as you are doing it to the "right" bad guys, and 
not to the "wrong" bad guys. 

It's hard for me to tell them all apart, so mostly I just hide under my rock. 

Bill