On Monday 30 April 2018 04:36:14 deloptes wrote:
> William Morder wrote:
> > On the Devuan pages, there is a sort of sub-group who want to stop using
> > dbus. Just like they want to get rid of systemd, so they also don't like
> > dbus.
> >
> > I don't know anything more about it, but perhaps you could look into
> > this?
>
> So there are some extremists :) Is it turning into Debian-Amish community
> :D
>
> without dbus, also bluetooth won't work ... and many other things
>
> regards

Yes, I generate power to run my computer by riding a bicycle generator. :-] At 
present I am in the midst of an extended Rumspringa for the past 44 years. 
(I'll let you work out the numbers on that riddle.) 

I grew up in Amish country. They were our neighbors, and we always saw their 
horse-drawn carts on the roads, and even were on passing friendly terms with 
some Amish families. It is probably due to my exposure to the Amish people 
who lived in the next valley that I got interested in history of religion, 
anthropology, and that sort of thing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa
documentary about Rumspringa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-qD9XMwxDo
(This link works for me; there were others that didn't work.) 

Actually, the elders of each Amish community decide separately what technology 
they will allow to be used. They often run shops to sell their food and 
crafts to outsiders ("the English"), and in those shops they have 
electricity, computers, and accept all major credit cards. In their homes and 
communities, however, they have none of that, and still live like it is the 
eighteenth century, when their founder, Jakob Amman, declared that time ought 
to be stopped. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Amman

Back to topic: I don't much like systemd, as it seems to mess with how my 
system runs, especially when I try to restart. I am not anti-dbus, although I 
would like to know more about why the Devuan Amish community don't like it. 
If anybody has any insights into this matter, I am all ears. 

Bill