said Kate Draven: | Oh I didn't forget MC, but it's a "CLI" file manager (and a mighty one), | but not a graphical one. | | I disagree with Konqueror being a wannabe. It's a fantastic tool with | infinite uses. You just have to know how to use it. Krusader is a great | one too, again, if you know how to use it. and i think that both are necessary. the very first thing i install in a new linux setup is midnight commander -- the height of achievement by miguel de icaza, who in his declining career first invented gnome then went to work for msft. (a nice guy, though -- i interviewed him in boston when he was still doing ximian.) mc will get you out of all kinds of trouble. and "sudo mc" in a terminal is maybe the most practical desktop shortcut to a world of things. and for regular file management from the desktop, nothing touches konqueror. -- dep Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.