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Re: [trinity-users] got a puzzle OT

From: Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon@...>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 07:29:20 +0200
I did not answer at first because I think everyone is free to believe or not, 
but this time too much is simply wrong.

On Wednesday 20 June 2018 02.31:18 Felix Miata wrote:
> It's not a versus. Evolution IS a religion:

It's definitely  *not*

> ...
> 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed
> upon by a number of persons or sects:...
> "Evolution", as taught, is not subject to proof.

This is wrong. Just as some may kill member of other religions although theirs 
tell them not to, I can't make sure that there are not some who "teach" 
evolution as a religion, but evolution is a *theory*, that itself has evolved 
once first proposed. It has evolved because scientific evidence has showed 
that proposed explanations did not fit to facts

> As taught it's all based 
> on theories, aka beliefs. 

Wrong again. A theory is driven by *facts*. It's a model that needs to be 
modified if it's not able to explain new facts that are discoverd. 

> Micro-evolution is without question real and 
> provable, but micro-evolution is not taught as distinguishable from the
> other 6 types of unprovable evolution, such as that which says dinosaurs
> and man did not coexist.

This simply comes from the fact that datation methods (which by the way use 
the same physics that are used in CERN to improve another model, which tries 
to explain how matter is made) show that dinosaurs disappeared 65 millions 
years ago while man in its modern form is some two million years old.

That's as if you said it is unprovable that I could not meet Darwin.

> Technically, it's arguably true that dinosaurs 
> didn't, because "dinosaur" is a word originally created during the 19th
> century. Before then, the creatures since referred to as dinosaurs were
> called dragons, and there has been found much art on the walls of caves and
> elsewhere created many tens of centuries ago that indicate man was
> interacting with living dragons.

From which not a single bone has ever been found. My daughter draws a lot 
of "animals" that have never existed, and never will exit. (I admit she does 
not draw on a cave).

> > then I think (or maybe, I believe) that we need to start
> > another thread, if not indeed a separate forum, list, or whatever.

True. I doubt TDE will ever "evolve" to clear this sort of things :)

> One of my reasons to reply was to highlight the unending inane off-topic
> threads about coffee, chocolate & dinosaurs polluting this list and its
> archive. If dinosaurs are OK, then anything should go. I'd like to see OT
> stuff keep to a minimum or less.

Prie Dieu mais continue de nager vers le rivage.
(proverbe russe)

Pray to God but continue to swim to the shore.
(Russian proverb)