On Wednesday 15 August 2018 11:14:29 Pisini, John wrote: > I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how things are put together > and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue > is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was > forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem to > care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing. > For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't > care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail > support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with > Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is it > always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the tree > which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky. > I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly > windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager > that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very > well. > You ought to submit a request for Konqueror to support those features. A few years ago I asked that two or three items were added to Trinity, and the devs came through in a couple weeks. Of course, your request is different than asking that some abandoned packages be redone and added to the Trinity repositories; but TDE needs to adapt to new things, so maybe they will come through for you on that. Otherwise, maybe it will spur them to create something new to replace Konqueror. Bill > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo@...> > > wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote: > > > Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems > > > administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my > > > relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same > > > > things > > > > > and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is > > > the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a > > > decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their > > > spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the > > > skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a > > > greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive. > > > > Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic. > > > > Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to > > give > > up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical > > impossibility > > in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally > > must > > use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally > > aware > > of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running > > Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on > > the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they > > didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its > > systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is > > coming along nicely. > > > > I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out > > there, and > > I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything > > else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be > > parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a > > brand. > > > > In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although > > it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even > > close > > (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a > > year > > or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least > > as > > a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my > > own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for > > example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or > > preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at > > startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE. > > > > What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official > > repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there > > is a > > lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a > > cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt. > > > > Bill > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder < > > > > doctor_contendo@...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote: > > > > > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are > > > > > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect > > > > > example is Doom > > > > > > > > 2016 > > > > > > > > > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I > > > > > am > > > > a > > > > > > huge > > > > > > > > > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of > > > > > Doom > > > > 1 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the > > > > > early > > > > > > > > 80s. > > > > > > > > > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than > > > > install > > > > > > > it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I > > > > > go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available > > > > > and I will > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the > > > > > last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a > > > > > system > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as > > > > > they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a > > > > > really fun > > > > > > > > game. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I > > > > mean, I > > > > did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a > > > > couple > > > > > > others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an > > > > old > > > > > > friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. > > > > So > > > > > > while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's > > > > a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into > > > > that > > > > > > stuff, and had other interests. > > > > > > > > My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games > > > > on it. He > > > > was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the > > > > keyboard > > > > and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; > > > > in > > > > > > any > > > > case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and > > > > he went > > > > on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended > > > > (though > > > > in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many > > > > more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our > > > > computers > > > > would > > > > > > probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something > > > > like that), > > > > and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet. > > > > > > > > What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in > > > > Linux, > > > > > > or at > > > > least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, > > > > but > > > > > > I > > > > would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make > > > > games that > > > > blow away Windoze and Apple versions. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder < > > > > > > > > doctor_contendo@...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote: > > > > > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > hoses > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sound in any wine programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better > > > > > > software than > > > > > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different > > > > needs, > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > > > will try not to judge.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX > > > > > > repositories. I > > > > > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository > > > > > > that somebody > > > > > > else is hosting. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@ > > > > lists.pearsoncomputing.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists. > > > > pearsoncomputing.net > > > > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users. > > > > pearsoncomputing.net/ > > > > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity. > > > > pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@ > > lists.pearsoncomputing.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists. > > pearsoncomputing.net > > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users. > > pearsoncomputing.net/ > > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity. > > pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting