> On 08/14/2018 03:01 PM, andre_debian@... wrote: > > Somebody told me on tnis list, that TDE was based on Icewm. > > (if I understood correctly). > > Chuckling.... (you didn't) > > That would be the same as saying KDE was based on IceWm. IceWm as well = > as > Blackbox (and its forks, Fluxbox, Openbox, etc.. -- the boxtops) were ori= > ginal > code. Neither were Qt3 based. TDE was a continuation of KDE3 based on Qt3= > . > Information and history on all are available online (Wikipedia is a good = > start). > > While both IceWm and Blackbox (and its progeny) are very, very good win= > dow > managers, they are not "Desktop Environments". That is a critical distinc= > tion. > > KDE and Gnome were considered desktop environments as they included a n= > ice > set of integrated desktop applications (terminals, editors, calculators, = > color > choosers, file managers, etc..) with a common look and feel provided by t= > he > toolkits they use (Qt3 in the case of KDE3 and Gtk+2 in the case of Gnome= > 2, etc..) > > TDE continued the mature KDE3 build on Qt3, that kde.org basically > "left-for-dead" when it went chasing this pipe-dream of Qt4 widgets makin= > g the > world a better place to live. (much as Gtk+3 did with Gtk+2/glade when it= > ran > off with GtkBuildable and css styling of objects) > > TDE, in an inspired bit of forethought, was written with a somewhat too= > lkit > agnostic tqtinterface layer to prevent being limited to Qt3 only. However= > , > since KDE4 has become synonymous with "How to totally botch a desktop", t= > he > impetus on toolkit flexibility has lost a bit of necessity. Qt3 was a rob= > ust > and well written toolkit and there nothing it lacks inherently and what > security and maintenance is needed is provided in-house. > > So in short, TDE was a continuation of KDE 3.5.10 which was left for de= > ad by > kde.org and relegated to desktop history. Now kde.org has abandoned KDE4 = > and > "left-it-for-dead" (though it that case, I doubt you will see anyone run = > in to > try and save it....) > > Those intimately familiar with desktops, recognized what had been achie= > ved > with KDE3 was special, in terms of flexibility and efficiency and the hum= > an > factors taken into the desktop design that minimize the keystrokes or > mouse-clicks required to do a task, and how that philosophy shared by the= > team > created not only the desktop interface itself, but was also evident in ea= > ch of > the applications developed as a part of the project. KDE3 was the result = > of > that ground-up process, the desktop and all of the application that made = > up > the environment benefiting from that process in terms of usability and ef= > ficiency. > > It is something that can never be captured in a "Let's move to a new to= > olkit > and port all the applications over" effort. Every time that has been > attempted, it invariably results is a "just get it ported and working... = > and > let's get a release out" mentality that cannot, and will never, achieve t= > he > same efficiency or usability that a ground-up design did. Thus KDE4 could= > n't > and Plasma never will match the elegance, the integration or the usabilty= > of > the KDE3 desktop environment. > > TDE continues the best of KDE3 -- that's why you are here. > > --=20 > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Well said prof. Umm, may I have me soapbox back now? Kate Seriously, well said.