On Thursday 04 April 2019 02:28:20 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hi Gene! > > Anno domini 2019 Wed, 3 Apr 12:12:50 -0400 > > Gene Heskett scripsit: > > On Wednesday 03 April 2019 09:56:09 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Anno domini 2019 Wed, 3 Apr 08:48:05 -0400 > > > > > > Gene Heskett scripsit: > > > > On Wednesday 03 April 2019 03:09:11 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > Anno domini 2019 Tue, 2 Apr 14:11:04 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > Gene Heskett scripsit: > > > > > > The install didn't switch it, and gnome won't show me the > > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the gnomes won't let you go :-) > > > > > > > > I think the installers only other choice is xfce, which I'll do > > > > this time. gnomes paranoia wears thin, very quickly. Even what > > > > they call a Konsole has been castrated. Thats unforgivable. I > > > > built this machine from scratch about a decade back, and I won't > > > > stand for their paranoia that just gets in the way of doing what > > > > I do with it. > > > > > > > > :( > > > > > > It's not paranoia, it's "making it easy". Guess, somebody is > > > paying someone a lot of money for doing so. > > > > The hell its not being paranoid, Nik. Every time I get something > > working well, some paranoid sob plugs that hole in the next version > > as a security risk. Dammit, its my local network, all behind a > > dd-wrt router. In 15 years no one has come in from the outside tha I > > didn't invite and gave them the login credentials to do it with, no > > exceptions. So let me do as I please on my own local net. > > > > I'll give you the ssh -Y remote cli login as a prime example. It > > wasn't user sensitive 10 years ago so a login Just Worked even if > > you've become root since logging in. Now we get "can't open display > > :10" errors unless you are first user all thru the systems, which I > > am not, there is no way on a raspian pi install to be other than pi > > as the first user #1000. BTDT spent weeks trying to work around > > that, finally gave up and just use ssh -Y pi@picnc. > > > > So if I want to run synaptic on the pi, I either have to goto its > > keyboard, a back and neck killing standup job, or more recently I've > > found gksudo works. But login as pi, and simply "sudo synaptic" gets > > the display opening error. And even that doesn't work when I'm > > logged into a rock64 running stretch. Its MY local network, get the > > hell out of my way and let me see if I can actually get what s/b a > > pi killer, to do anything but browse the internet. I've built > > realtime kernels on that rock64 4 or 5 times now, but the instant I > > sudo -i to try to figure out how to install one of those realtime > > kernels, I'm blocked from doing almost anything but an ls -l. Its > > enough to make one clear out the stray cats in the neighborhood. > > > > The point is, I build or buy this stuff for ME to use, whats wrong > > with that? > > > > And despite going into this stretch netinstall with a well formatted > > drive ready for the install, the installer would NOT proceed past > > the partitioning AND formatting stage, so I was forced to do it > > again, losing the partition labels in the process. > > > > Except I just ran blkid, and my labels survived!!!!!!! 'splain that > > one, but I like it! But mount -l can't find them... I had to use the > > /dev/sdb1 and sdb3 designators to mount them. Me, goes off > > scratching my thinning hair over that. Anyway, I've started copying > > stuff over, iuncludng the /opt directory. That oughtto be fun & > > games letting synaptic update all of the /opt/trinity directory to > > 64 bit stuff. :) > > > > Thanks Nik, for reading my rant. > > > > > Sorr, I missed a part of the original conversation. Which > > > distribution are you going to install? > > > > > > Nik > > > > Stretch, amd64 version. Just did but have not rebooted to it yet, > > thought I'd check the mail first. And it won't boot, grub, by the time its installed, is too far into the drive, and this dumbassed bios can't find it. So I'got to rethink my partitioning scheme to add a 250 meg /boot up front... > Ok ... thing one: don't use "sudo", use "su". "sudo" is like a choir > of castrates: useless by default, unless you invest hords of time to > set up things correctly and solve a problem that does not exist in the > first place. > > Second thing, IMO Debian bites you. All that workarounds to get > systemd+gnome kindof working kill your "user experience". Note: if it > works, you are fine, a bit slow when booting but you get shiny surface > ... at least till it breaks, then the fun starts .. and break it will > .. > > (I already hear the bonfires roaring ..) > And the chain saws snarling as they cut some more to feed the flames. Wheezy's paranoia was something you could work around most of the time without too much trouble until xhost got castrated. A good distribution. Jessie was a taste of whats to come. Stretch makes it worse. But we're gonna have to live with buster for a while, so we may as well figure out how to make it work, and sooner is better bause you get to run it longer. Actually. jessie on the pi wasn't too bad. I am actually getting things done with it. But info on the wintel stuff is common knowledge. Want to replace the armhf (pi) or arm64 (rock64) kernel with a realtime version? Nobody else sees the need, so your questions get ignored, not answered by the people who do have it all figured out. Thats BS. And its why I'm back to an intel machine for my current build. The atom boards can run a 32 bit kernel with IRQ latencies in the 3 to 5 microsecond range, so simple machines can be run directly from the parport. Need more i/o than the 5 inputs that gives? Mesa has several boards for under a $100 bill for that, including SPI interfaced that run at 41 megabaud on the pi. Unforch its a 3.3 volt board, easily damaged by noise, so it needs 7i42TA buffer boards, 1 for each group of 24 lines, so by the time you've a full 72 line interface, you're at about $200. But you are also looking at bringing a wire to it, insert in hole and tighten the screw, so wiring it up is a piece of cake. Then on this latest build, I chose a $120 7i76 board, driven by an $80 5i25, gives me 5 axises worth of stepper controls, an isolated vfd spindle control, 32 inputs for machine status, and 16 more outputs to run pumps and such with. And thosee fpga boards take care of the high speed timings so it all runs on a 1 millisecond main IRQ loop. Power to throw away on a dual core atom. Plenty of time left to drive your eye candy which I am not allergic to writing. That also explains why those nearly decade old atom boards sell on ebay for more that they sold for new. Intel accidently made us machine tool people an ideal board. But I'd better shaddup go see what the missus wants for breakfast. Take care Nik. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>