3.5.13 is now working fine (so far) with kdesu. Thanks Trinity team for dealing with bugs 394/451. There is still an issue (here at least) with some apps, usually gtk, that use by default "gksu" (e.g. gparted) or "su-to-root -X -c command" (many of my custom scripts) Synaptic is ok, it already has a .desktop file for kde The problem is just like before, e.g. "klauncher could not be reached via dcop" requiring relogin or to call kdeinit in a terminal (if you can get one) This is however minor and easily fixable compared to 3.5.12, where sudo was mandatory by default (unacceptable for many Debian users) I note also, <sux> still causes similar errors (worked in kde 3.5.9/10 in Debian Lenny) Workaround, if affected: Change relevant .desktop files to include "X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true" OR using kmenuedit tick "run as different user" OR just call <kdesu rootappname> in terminal or run box. Don't use "sux". Check your custom apps/scripts. Regards, David