On Tuesday 01 September 2020 05:30:03 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Tue, 1 Sep 05:20:27 -0700 > > William Morder via trinity-users scripsit: > > Another new problem, and I swear, this one is not of my own making; > > unless of course you mean that I am one of those no-systemd devuan > > dissidents. > > > > So far, in my new Beowulf installation, I've been using wicd to connect; > > not because I prefer it, but only because it's there. When I was running > > Jessie, over the past few years tdenetworkmanager and wicd seemed to > > fight it out, and I couldn't figure out the cause. Sometimes, on a fresh > > installation, I would be able to use tdenetworkmanager; sometimes not. On > > the whole, I ended up using wicd about 3/4 of the time. But anyway, at > > least I could connect, and had no serious issues. It was more a matter of > > preference. One thing I did notice, though, is that wicd somehow would > > assume root privileges, even though I did not run it as root. > > > > Anyway, so in my new installation, I would like to use tdenetworkmanager, > > but now I get these error messages. I list them in order of discovery: > > > > 1 - network-manager-tde depends on network-manager > > (Yeah, I knew that, but huh?) > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > network-manager-tde : Depends: network-manager (>= 0.7.0) but it is not > > going to be installed > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > 2 - Let's grab that dependency ... > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > network-manager : Depends: libpam-systemd > > > > 3 - Let's try to build-dep ... > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97) but > > it is not going to be installed > > Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not > > installable > > > > 4 - Why can't I build-dep for network-manager? > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97) but > > it is not going to be installed > > Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not > > installable > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > > > So the only answer I get is that I must install systemd in order to run > > tdenetworkmanager? I've already tried some command-line voodoo to force > > installation, ignore held packages, all that good stuff. > > > > I would just give up for the present, and rely on wicd, which at least > > has always worked pretty well. It's been my #2 choice, when I've had > > issues with tdenetworkmanager, which has been about 3/4 of the past > > couple years. It may be an issue with Debian, because technically > > TDE-Trinity uses Debian Buster packages, not Devuan Beowulf; they are the > > same, mostly, but not always. > > > > Now my problem is, once I go online, thereafter I cannot go offline. When > > I try, I usually find that I still have an active connection that won't > > die; when I do succeed in going offline, after that I cannot get back > > online, but must reboot in order to get a connection again. > > > > My verdict is, something's wrong. > > > :) > > tdenetworkmanager works on beowulf, wicd does not - that's what I found > when I upgraded. But there should not be any systemd dependecy when you are > on devuan. Could you check if that you do not have accidentally activated > some debian repository? > > Nik > > > Bill > > > > > > > > So, I tried to change the Trinity repos from Buster to Beowulf, updated my sources.list, and that didn't work at all. Trinity only recognizes Buster. I also tried to "pin" the packages to Beowulf (using the option -t beowulf in apt-get), to no avail. The problem currently remains the same, as related below. Hi Nik! Thanks for your help. Buster is named only for some oddball third-party stuff; except, that is, for Trinity-TDE repos themselves (for which, see below). deb-multimedia repos (for ? I forget) I could disable them unless I need a specific package; but I seem to recall that apt would try to uninstall whatever it was, if the repo is not enabled. deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main deb-src http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main the repos for Vivaldi (but I could disable these unless I want to upgrade) deb http://repo.vivaldi.com/snapshot/deb/ stable main the Tor project deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main Maybe Trinity itself, as I wasn't sure whether to insert Buster or Beowulf. I noticed some repositories seem to redirect, but others want it specified, one or the other. When I read the instructions and comments on the wiki page, it said something about devuan users should "just use debian", etc. deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian buster main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster main-r14 deps-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster main-r14 deps-r14 Bill