Anno domini 2020 Tue, 1 Sep 12:25:43 -0700
 William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
> 
> On Tuesday 01 September 2020 09:33:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Anno domini 2020 Tue, 1 Sep 06:39:01 -0700
> >
> >  William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
> > > On Tuesday 01 September 2020 05:30:03 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > Anno domini 2020 Tue, 1 Sep 05:20:27 -0700
> > > >
> > > >  William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
> > > > > Another new problem, and I swear, this one is not of my own making;
> > > > > unless of course you mean that I am one of those no-systemd devuan
> > > > > dissidents.
> > > > >
> > > > > So far, in my new Beowulf installation, I've been using wicd to
> > > > > connect; not because I prefer it, but only because it's there. When I
> > > > > was running Jessie, over the past few years tdenetworkmanager and
> > > > > wicd seemed to fight it out, and I couldn't figure out the cause.
> > > > > Sometimes, on a fresh installation, I would be able to use
> > > > > tdenetworkmanager; sometimes not. On the whole, I ended up using wicd
> > > > > about 3/4 of the time. But anyway, at least I could connect, and had
> > > > > no serious issues. It was more a matter of preference. One thing I
> > > > > did notice, though, is that wicd somehow would assume root
> > > > > privileges, even though I did not run it as root.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, so in my new installation, I would like to use
> > > > > tdenetworkmanager, but now I get these error messages. I list them in
> > > > > order of discovery:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 - network-manager-tde depends on network-manager
> > > > > (Yeah, I knew that, but huh?)
> > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > > > >  network-manager-tde : Depends: network-manager (>= 0.7.0) but it is
> > > > > not going to be installed
> > > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> > > > > 2 - Let's grab that dependency ...
> > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > > > >  network-manager : Depends: libpam-systemd
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 - Let's try to build-dep ...
> > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > > > >  builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97)
> > > > > but it is not going to be installed
> > > > >                           Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not
> > > > > installable
> > > > >
> > > > > 4 - Why can't I build-dep for network-manager?
> > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > > > >  builddeps:network-manager : Depends: libpolkit-agent-1-dev (>= 0.97)
> > > > > but it is not going to be installed
> > > > >                              Depends: systemd (>= 185) but it is not
> > > > > installable
> > > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the only answer I get is that I must install systemd in order to
> > > > > run tdenetworkmanager? I've already tried some command-line voodoo to
> > > > > force installation, ignore held packages, all that good stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would just give up for the present, and rely on wicd, which at
> > > > > least has always worked pretty well. It's been my #2 choice, when
> > > > > I've had issues with tdenetworkmanager, which has been about 3/4 of
> > > > > the past couple years. It may be an issue with Debian, because
> > > > > technically TDE-Trinity uses Debian Buster packages, not Devuan
> > > > > Beowulf; they are the same, mostly, but not always.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now my problem is, once I go online, thereafter I cannot go offline.
> > > > > When I try, I usually find that I still have an active connection
> > > > > that won't die; when I do succeed in going offline, after that I
> > > > > cannot get back online, but must reboot in order to get a connection
> > > > > again.
> > > > >
> > > > > My verdict is, something's wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > tdenetworkmanager works on beowulf, wicd does not - that's what I found
> > > > when I upgraded. But there should not be any systemd dependecy when you
> > > > are on devuan. Could you check if that you do not have accidentally
> > > > activated some debian repository?
> > > >
> > > > Nik
> > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > >
> > > So, I tried to change the Trinity repos from Buster to Beowulf, updated
> > > my sources.list, and that didn't work at all. Trinity only recognizes
> > > Buster. I also tried to "pin" the packages to Beowulf (using the option
> > > -t beowulf in apt-get), to no avail.
> >
> > The Beowul repo for trinity is just a link to the Buster Repo. Just use
> > Buster, it's OK.
> >
> > > The problem currently remains the same, as related below.
> > >
> > > Hi Nik! Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > Buster is named only for some oddball third-party stuff; except, that is,
> > > for Trinity-TDE repos themselves (for which, see below).
> > >
> > > deb-multimedia repos (for ? I forget)
> >
> > Ok. That is most likely your troublemaker. You'll need to get rid of all
> > packages from that repo - that will cause some TDE packags to be removed,
> > too, due to dependencies. Identify one of the deb-multimedia packages, then
> > use "apt-show-versions" (most likely you'll need to install it first) and
> > grep for the extensions. This is a tediouse process, I've been through it a
> > couple of times. The only thing you maybe miss is libdvdcss2. I think I
> > installed it from the sources.
> >
> > Nik
> >
> 
> Nope. Nothing was installed from that repo (yet), and now it's disabled, once 
> again I updated the sources.list, but apt-get keeps returning the same 
> message: 
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  network-manager : Depends: libpam-systemd
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> 
> Bill
> 
> > > I could disable them unless I need a specific package; but I seem to
> > > recall that apt would try to uninstall whatever it was, if the repo is
> > > not enabled. deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main
> > > deb-src http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main
> > >
> > > the repos for Vivaldi (but I could disable these unless I want to
> > > upgrade) deb http://repo.vivaldi.com/snapshot/deb/ stable main
> > >
> > >
> > > the Tor project
> > >
> > > deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main
> > > deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org buster stable main
> > >
> > > Maybe Trinity itself, as I wasn't sure whether to insert Buster or
> > > Beowulf. I noticed some repositories seem to redirect, but others want it
> > > specified, one or the other. When I read the instructions and comments on
> > > the wiki page, it said something about devuan users should "just use
> > > debian", etc.
> > >
> > > deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian
> > > buster main
> > > deb-src
> > > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian
> > > buster main
> > > deb
> > > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/de
> > >bian buster main
> > > deb-src
> > > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/de
> > >bian buster main
> > >
> > > deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster main-r14
> > > deps-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster
> > > main-r14 deps-r14
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >

Let's check: I get these dependencies for network-mananger. As you see, it's homepage is the lore of GNOMEs, so it's deeply entangled with systemd. libsystemd0 is a functionless wrapper (on devuan) and libpam-systemd is a dummy. If you want to use it, you'll need these 2 packages, too. But I don't see systemd in my list.

$ LANGUAGE=en aptitude show network-manager
Package: network-manager                 
Version: 1.14.6-2+deb10u1
State: installed
Automatically installed: yes
Priority: optional
Section: net
Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team <pkg-utopia-maintainers@...>
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 11,9 M
Depends: libaudit1 (>= 1:2.2.1), libbluetooth3 (>= 4.91), libc6 (>= 2.26), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.3),
         libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.43.2), libgnutls30 (>= 3.6.5), libjansson4 (>= 2.0.1), libmm-glib0 (>= 1.0.0),
         libndp0 (>= 1.2), libnewt0.52 (>= 0.52.20), libnm0 (= 1.14.6-2+deb10u1), libpolkit-agent-1-0 (>=
         0.99), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.104), libpsl5 (>= 0.13.0), libreadline7 (>= 6.0), libselinux1 (>=
         1.32), libsystemd0 (>= 221), libteamdctl0 (>= 1.9), libudev1 (>= 183), libuuid1 (>= 2.16), lsb-base,
         wpasupplicant, dbus, udev, adduser, libpam-systemd, policykit-1
PreDepends: init-system-helpers (>= 1.54~)
Recommends: ppp, dnsmasq-base, iptables, modemmanager, crda, isc-dhcp-client
Suggests: libteam-utils
Conflicts: network-manager:i386
Breaks: ppp (>= 2.4.7-3~), ppp:i386 (>= 2.4.7-3~), ppp (< 2.4.7-2+~), ppp:i386 (< 2.4.7-2+~)
Description: network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)
 
Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager
Tags: implemented-in::c, interface::daemon, network::configuration, protocol::dhcp, protocol::ip,
      role::program, use::configuring

nik@t61:~$ LANGUAGE=en aptitude show libpam-systemd
No candidate version found for libpam-systemd
Package: libpam-systemd
State: not a real package
Provided by: libpam-elogind (241.4-2)
nik@t61:~$ LANGUAGE=en aptitude show libsystemd0
Package: libsystemd0                     
Version: 241-7~deb10u4
State: not installed
Multi-Arch: same
Priority: optional
Section: libs
Maintainer: Debian systemd Maintainers <pkg-systemd-maintainers@...>
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 786 k
PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.28), libgcrypt20 (>= 1.8.0), liblz4-1 (>= 0.0~r122), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614)
Breaks: libsystemd0:i386 (!= 241-7~deb10u4)
Replaces: libsystemd0:i386 (< 241-7~deb10u4)
Provided by: libelogind0 (241.4-2)
Description: systemd utility library
 
Homepage: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
Tags: role::shared-lib


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