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Re: [trinity-users] Re: systemd-homed - new thread

From: Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@...>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 22:48:45 +0200 (CEST)
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday 15 September 2020 11:09:27 Felmon Davis wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>>> Anno domini 18:08:23 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 +0200 (CEST)
>>> Felmon Davis scripsit:
>
>
>>
>> I guess it depends on the intended use-case. if I want to transfer
>> 'home' to another one of my computers, there is no problem or rather,
>> I already had a problem if the computer I'm transferring to is
>> compromised.
>>
>> and as someone pointed out further down-thread (sorry, I can't find
>> the msg!) this may be suitable to a business environment.
>>
>
> quoted from E.Liddell's earlier post:
> ###########
> The target audience here isn't home users, it's business and education
> setups where the users are (understandably) not trusted by the sysadmin.
> It's the businesses that pay Red Hat's bills, so naturally they cater to them.
> ###########

exactly, thank you and apologies to E. Liddell.

>> it sounds like what's terrible about systend-homed is that it's
>> systemd!
>>
>> f.
>
> I think Michael's post encapsulated what is wrong with homed (quoting what he
> himself mostly quotes):
> ###########
> Quote:
> "All user-specific records are stored within a JSON formatted file called
> ~/.identity which is cryptographically signed with a key out of the users
> control."
>
> ..."out of the users control"...
> Quote-End:
>
> Welcome to Big Brother?

but this mirrors my situation on my system: I am 'user' and there is 
'root'; a lot of things are "out of the user's control" on my systems 
though, of course, I can change my hat and become 'root'.

but maybe that's not what's going on with systemd-homed.

> Seriously, homed says my data is not mine. �Worse, if homed borks, then I've
> lost ALL my data.
>
> This reply from the linked article, also seems to be relevent:
>
> Quote:
>> systemd-homed solves this by doing a chown -R on the entire home directory
> if there is a conflict.
>
> Riiiiight.
>
> I'm supposed to trust you to know what my home directory permissions are
> supposed to be?

gawd, I don't really want to defend a program I don't know or 
understand but no, you are supposed to trust *yourself* to know what 
your home permissions are.

> Are you fucking crazy?"

yes, but now we're off-topic again.

> Quote-End:
>
> Background on this is that, especially in a developer's system, it's frequent
> to have files owned by different users and groups within your home. �homed is
> just going to overwrite all that.
> ###########

thus it seems this is not the intended 'use-case'.

> Just trying to bring the different views together in one place.

thank you, this was helpful, provided context.

f.

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Felmon Davis

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