On Tuesday 15 September 2020 13:48:45 Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 September 2020 11:09:27 Felmon Davis wrote:
> >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> >>> Anno domini 18:08:23 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 +0200 (CEST)
> >>> Felmon Davis scripsit:
> >>
> >> I guess it depends on the intended use-case. if I want to transfer
> >> 'home' to another one of my computers, there is no problem or rather,
> >> I already had a problem if the computer I'm transferring to is
> >> compromised.
> >>
> >> and as someone pointed out further down-thread (sorry, I can't find
> >> the msg!) this may be suitable to a business environment.
> >
> > quoted from E.Liddell's earlier post:
> > ###########
> > The target audience here isn't home users, it's business and education
> > setups where the users are (understandably) not trusted by the sysadmin.
> > It's the businesses that pay Red Hat's bills, so naturally they cater to
> > them. ###########
>
> exactly, thank you and apologies to E. Liddell.
>
> >> it sounds like what's terrible about systend-homed is that it's
> >> systemd!
> >>
> >> f.
> >
> > I think Michael's post encapsulated what is wrong with homed (quoting
> > what he himself mostly quotes):
> > ###########
> > Quote:
> > "All user-specific records are stored within a JSON formatted file called
> > ~/.identity which is cryptographically signed with a key out of the users
> > control."
> >
> > ..."out of the users control"...
> > Quote-End:
> >
> > Welcome to Big Brother?
>
> but this mirrors my situation on my system: I am 'user' and there is
> 'root'; a lot of things are "out of the user's control" on my systems
> though, of course, I can change my hat and become 'root'.
>
> but maybe that's not what's going on with systemd-homed.
>
> > Seriously, homed says my data is not mine. �Worse, if homed borks, then
> > I've lost ALL my data.
> >
> > This reply from the linked article, also seems to be relevent:
> >
> > Quote:
> >> systemd-homed solves this by doing a chown -R on the entire home
> >> directory
> >
> > if there is a conflict.
> >
> > Riiiiight.
> >
> > I'm supposed to trust you to know what my home directory permissions are
> > supposed to be?
>
> gawd, I don't really want to defend a program I don't know or
> understand but no, you are supposed to trust *yourself* to know what
> your home permissions are.
>
> > Are you fucking crazy?"
>
> yes, but now we're off-topic again.
>

How do you know you're crazy (or even effin crazy)? 

In my experience, those few who are really crazy (in the sense 
of "out-of-touch with reality") tend to occupy positions of great power and 
wealth, especially in government, business and the like. 

Do you work in one of those fields? If not, you're probably not as crazy as 
you are being told. 

Bill


> > Quote-End:
> >
> > Background on this is that, especially in a developer's system, it's
> > frequent to have files owned by different users and groups within your
> > home. �homed is just going to overwrite all that.
> > ###########
>
> thus it seems this is not the intended 'use-case'.
>
> > Just trying to bring the different views together in one place.
>
> thank you, this was helpful, provided context.
>
> f.