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Month: January 2011

Re: [trinity-users] Kmenu Reasoning Explained

From: Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4@...>
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:05:38 -0500
On 1/22/11, Robert Xu <robxu9@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 22:35, John A. Sullivan III
> <jsullivan@...> wrote:
>> I don't like lots of submenus either but there are so many options
>> available in Linux that the huge menus which can popup are more
>> cumbersome and confusing that the submenus.  I think we need to find a
>> reasonable balance - John
> The way I see it, we should try to create a submenu that has a broad
> meaning but doesn't completely include all the apps.
> For example, we could say Office > Management for finance and other
> such applications such as to-do lists
> And also Office > Processors for Word/Spreadsheet/Presentation Processors...
> I forgot to mention - no more than one submenu.
> --
> later, Robert Xu
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All of this is very useful so thanks for that. Ru_X, dueling pistols at dawn.

With regard to multiple submenus. Over 4 years of testing has shown me
people aren't put off my them, so long as they are logically ordered
and well labeled. What does put them off, is being bombarded by
dozens, even hundreds of apps under one or two submenus (choice, both
the beauty and curse of FOSS). With multiple, logically labeled,
submenus they can just follow along. They key is, logical progression,
informative labeling, and this is also the rub. A problem I've been
dealing with for a while, I'm close but I need help. So I'm thankful
for this opportunity.

Regarding terminology, its important to avoid pop computing terms such
as folders, windows apps, because it fails to educate the user. The
use of improper terms by MS was an attempt (in my opinion and the
opinions of many) to create a dependency on windows. Prove it to
yourself, find a windows user and ask them to create a folder on their
desktop. When they're finished, ask them to create a directory. 90% of
the time they will draw blank. FOSS is said to be about freedom of
knowledge, how can that knowledge be passed on if everything is being
dumbed down.

Dumbing down is the worst thing anyone can do. I give you the NJ
Educational system. 10 years ago it began dumbing everything down to
"make it easier for kids to get an education" now NJ is a state of
illiterates. Young adults entering college unable to read to any
useful degree. NJ has learned a hard lesson and as a result as been
forced to take such actions as eliminating the grade D. Forcing
parents, students and teachers to work harder. Its been working.

There is a difference between making something accessible and useless.
I have faith in people's ability to adapt and learn. I've seen it in
action and I'm willing to bet on it by building something better.

/action: Kate hops off her soapbox pulpit.

Thanks (and I do mean that) to all