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Re: [trinity-users] Trimming replies

From: Felmon Davis <davisf@...>
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:14:44 -0500 (EST)
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> On 13/01/13 11:21, Alexandre Couture wrote:
>>> On Sunday 13 January 2013 08:06:43 Dan Youngquist wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> So, I hope we can convince folks to trim their replies a little more.
>>>    +25  :-)
>>>   G.
>> Just throwing an idea like that:
>> Wouldn't a forum be a better platform than mailling list?
>> It also avoid top-posting and trim problems...
> No it wouldn't be better, and no forums don't avoid posting issues.
> Forums are a "pull" technology: I have to actively decide to go to some
> website and look for new comments or questions, then keep refreshing the
> page periodically to see replies to questions. Even if there is some sort
> of notification service (like a RSS feed), nevertheless I must still make
> the decision to actively open a tab in a browser and go to the forum.
> Email is a "push" technology: new comments and questions just appear in
> my inbox without me needing to go out and look for them. So long as I
> monitor this one location, my inbox, I will see these messages.

you pretty much say it, I wrote a response which I didn't send which 
put it this way, I like getting mail delivered to my door (or screen); 
don't want to pick it up at the post-office.

> I already have, at quick count, well over 120 assorted tabs open in five
> different browsers on two machines. If I had to actively monitor this list
> by viewing a web page, I wouldn't.
> As for posting issues, it is probably true that web forums *reduce* the
> hassle caused by top-posting and failure to trim. But that's only because
> forum software usually defaults to "no quote" replies: replies have have
> no context, except that they are part of some thread. In small threads,
> or in sufficiently well-written and explicit replies, you don't need much
> to establish context. But as threads get bigger, or as writers get lazier
> or less competent, you still need to establish context. I cannot begin to
> tell you how many forum discussions I have seen with replies that give
> *no clue* who, or which specific comment, they are replying to.

let's add that some forum software will 'thread' replies by indenting 
them; this helps visually though it can be overwhelming too and it 
doesn't obviate the need to cite context as you point out.

really, the rules are pretty simple:

a) generally bottom-post (not necessarily always);

b) if the post is complex, 'interweave', as Glen Cunningham puts;

c) trim what is not needed (perhaps indicate trims with a "[...]" or 
similar (some insert a pseudo-latin word 'deletia', sniff!).

until I hear from other contendas, I'm going to declare you, Steven, 
"King of the Tabs" -- 120 tabs open at once!


Felmon Davis

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