On Sunday 14 April 2013 13:06:19 dep wrote: > said Alexandre Couture: > | Hi everyone! > | > | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or > | removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written: > | > | Timothy Pearson wrote: > | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely > | >> that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port > | >> the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there > | >> are any. > | > > | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in > | > Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not > | > considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather information > | > from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker? > | > | Francois Andriot wrote: > | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt > | >like it to be removed. > | >I currently have no problem with it. > | > > | > > | >Here are some reasons: > | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all > | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu > | >with many submenus. > | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the > | >icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs > | > grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find > | > the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is > | > still not very convenient. > | >- I like the way applications are shown in menu: a "big" icon, > | >application name written with big letters, application summary with > | >small letters. So there is no confusion between application name and > | >application summary. > | > > | >Maybe we should just ship Kickoff as a separate application, like kbfx > | > ? > | > | I have the same point of view as Francois Andriot on that and I can even > | add: > | > | -Kick-Off is as fast as though. If the program I want to launch is Gimp, > | I click on the start menu, I write ''gim'' on the keyboard and a menu > | with ''Gimp'' already highlighted appear. I just have to press enter. > | Otherwise, in the classic menu, I would have to find the ''Graphics'' > | menu and I would need to read all the names of every programs in the > | list before I can see ''Gimp'' in the list. And everybody here knows > | that TDE comes with plenty of programs, so depending of what you are > | looking for, the menu can be long... We use search engines to find what > | we want on the Web, but it wouldn't be a good idea on your computer? > | > | -Having a little summary of what the programs are is much more intuitive > | than having to start it, to see what it is. It is just more simple for > | users coming from Windows. > | > | -On my little Asus EEE, with a screen resolution of 800x480, the > | Kick-off is just the right size, where on the classic start menu, often > | a sub-menu takes all the screen and many columns, and it gets just > | confusing and harder to find what you are looking for. > | > | -I just don't get the point of users telling everywhere on this mailing > | list that NOTHING should change in TDE incomparison with KDE 3.5.10 and > | every single bit should stay identical, but the Kick-Off should be > | dropped. It is the same thing with Dolphin. Those are 2 KDE3 programs, > | it is not because they also exists in KDE4 that they are evil. > | > | If the Kick-Off is to be dropped one day or another, would it be at > | least possible to implement the search feature of the classic start menu > | in a more efficient way? > | > | Just my opinion... > | -Alexandre > > My opinion of Kickoff is so strong that I had to Google it to see what it > was. After having done so, I realized that it was one of the reasons I > stuck with KDE-3.x and now TDE, it being one of those "we did it because > we can" features that demonstrate that KDE was done, design-wise, in 3.x > that, in keeping with KDE's "we know what's best and you don't" design > philosophy. Same here. > If there is fervent support for this among TDE users, might it best be a > separate and optional package? Then those who want it may have it and > those who don't won't need to carry it around. This has come up before, and is clearly one of the features of KDE 4 that Alexandre likes. But please, please, please if you do implement this in TDE, let it be a voluntary package that can be added on later, not a default that at best one can deinstall. Dolphin too I think of as KDE4. Again, please if you decide that it should be available in TDE, make it an available package, not a part of the default installation. > (Likewise, the best I can tell entirely useless plymouthd! Maybe somebody > wants it, but I don't and would love to learn how to cast it into the > abyss forever.) I am not saying this because I want TDE to be frozen in time. I am more than glad to see it developing and evolving. But these are two of the things that I most disliked about KDE4. I use TDE because I dislike KDE4, and although I do not dislike every available alternative, I just can't find one that I like as much as KDE3. I used KDE from KDE 3.1 onwards. It changed considerable over that time. But it evolved. It wasn't thrown away with the bath water and started anew. Lisi