Hi, Calvin,
Thanks for your reply.

On Sunday 14 April 2013 18:03:52 Calvin Morrison wrote:
> Kickoff comes with all kicker installs you just need to enable it.

I couldn't even find Kicker by what I would regard as usual means: launcher 
(for preference) or menu (if I have to).  I found it via locate and ran it 
from the command line with the full path.  It immediately removed my panel, 
then grabbed my desktop and started rolling it off the top of the screen, 
leaving me with an ever increasing area of black.  I could find no way of 
arresting the disappearance, so I opened up a terminal, praying that at least 
alt-ctrl-Fx would work.  It did.  

I logged in, entered init 6, crossed my fingers, said my prayers and barely 
dared to look.  On the whole I find that Kx applications that are running 
when I shut TDE down, open up again when I next boot.  I was already planning 
on using my husband's computer to get at Gmail direct to plead for help in 
reclaiming my GUI (I usually use KMail and POP3), when to my delight TDE 
opened up with no trace at all of Kicker.  I don't intend to risk opening 
Kicker again, even just to look at it!

Is this what you mean by bugs??!

Kick-off I have seen on KDE 4 and don't like it.  Which is lucky, since I 
apparently can't have it. ;-)

> Sorry I didn't chime in sooner. I am all for keeping it, but that
> means that it needs to work well. Not freeze, not crash, and be very
> stable.  If that is not the case, someone needs to work on it. if
> nobody wants to work on it I don't think it is appropriate to ship
> something that is unstable.

If it is there anyway, why does Alexandre keep asking for it?  (That's a 
rhetorical question.)

Lisi