--snipping just everything---- ..and try to bring it to this point: I was to abandon KDE totally as I saw what the KDE4 had made of it: ALL the things I hate about Windows, was copied in there (at least that was my first impression). So TDE is the only chance to keep alive what I loved with KDE3 (BECAUSE it is al the things mentioned by others, NOT dispite). Another note to that: my mom is 70+ (and a PC newbe since years) try to tell HER that KDE4 is the next KDE3 and she will tell you, that she more likely thinks these are totally different Computers. Change happens, I know, but that dosen't mean it's allways good! So if you like fancy TDE just isn't the right pass for you..