After hours and hours and hours since about 24 hours ago of futile attempts to get 12.1/KDE 4.9.5 upgraded to 12.2/4.10.5, including finally a fresh installation of 12.2, I finally just removed all traces of KDE4 and tried 'zypper -v in trinity-desktop', only to be stopped by $SUBJECT. :~( Zypper se -s hal produces nada except as irrelevant substring. Zypper se -s trinity lists 1127 packages. Apparently hal needs more appropriate mention on http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/OpenSUSEBinaryInstallation ? Why 12.2 and not something newer?: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39949 Also in 12.3 and 13.1 there's this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=833253 Why not KDE 4.11?: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320561 I guess it's back to KDE3. No missing deps installing it. It even runs. :-p -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/