On Thursday 18 September 2014 07:35:44 Michael . wrote: > You are correct the vote was 4-4, 4 of the votes were employees of > Canonical who created Upstart and upstart got 4 votes from those very same > people. The other 4 votes had no ties at all to another distro or a pay > packet. Thank you. That is very interesting information. I didn't know that, and didn't know to ask the question. It puts a very different complexion on the nearness of the vote. Mark Shuttleworth has accepted the "defeat". http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 Thank you David, for putting your money where your mouth is. Most opponents of systemd, anyhow on the Debian list, rant and rave and *do* nothing. Not that there are many of them. May I forward/copy your email to the Debian list? Lisi