greets! so I see there's no hal in '/etc/init.d'! apt-get says the latest version is installed. I'm considering removing hal and reinstalling it. seems quite risky given everything that's associated with it. I cannot rip up this machine too much though, not in busy season. how should I proceed to restore hald? F. -- Felmon Davis I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.