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Month: November 2014

Re: [trinity-users] Email server maintenance

From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:11:42 +0000
Fine.  But I can see it.  Most archives are virtually inaccessible to me.  I 
like being able to see it, and regard it as a strength of the archives that 
they make it possible. 

On Wednesday 12 November 2014 23:00:57 Felix Miata wrote:
> Lisi Reisz composed on 2014-11-12 17:03 (UTC-0500):
> >> > On 11/08/2014 04:50 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> >> > >
> >
> > I have poor sight, and I find the TDE archives *significantly* better
> > than most, which I fond unusable.  In fact, I can't see a problem.  They
> > are great.  Beautifully clear and highly legible when I enlarge (ctrl-+)
> > which I expect to do anyway.  Most archives are awful and I can hardly
> > read them.  I have attached a screenshot of what I see.
> What you see, and provided in your attached binary, tells us little, in
> contrast to the screenshot URL I provided. In mine, the viewer can see what
> the browser's default size is, and what the whole array of DE sizes are, so
> that the fonts in the web page can be see in the context of both the
> defaults, and the whole rest of the desktop. It could be reproduced by
> anyone who wished to, because context is adequate. The only thing it lacks
> is actual zoom level applied, which Firefox doesn't offer. The zoom level
> in fact is none (100% of the size dictated by page CSS), so the archive
> page is in fact displaying the 10px size dictated by the page's CSS.
> Your page provides only one context: the UI text in your browser. That
> frame of reference indicates you've applied several zoom levels to the
> page. Firefox by default remembers zoom levels by domain, so once you've
> been there and applied zoom, you shouldn't need to do it again until the
> site is restyled to use different sizes. The way the shot cuts off the top
> of the page, if negects to show the vast difference in font size between
> the "beautifully clear and highly legible" body fonts and the zoomed to
> gigantic page title fonts. If you revisit the page in a new browser with a
> new profile, or the same browser with a new profile, or reset the zoom
> level to none (Ctrl-0), you'll find the resulting fonts not so "beautifully
> clear and highly legible", probably to a size smaller than your tiny
> Firefox UI menu fonts.
> Browser zoom is a *defense* mechanism. Defenses are only needed in the
> context of offensive behavior. In the instant case, the offensive behavior
> is web page font sizing that *completely* disregards the optimum size
> pre-defined via the visitors' browser default size settings. It may be
> acceptable to people who only use one computer and one DE to have to ever
> apply zoom on any given page or domain, but they shouldn't have to. Those
> who use a lot of DEs and a lot of browsers won't have the luxury of having
> been to any every frequented page before and having zoom level remembered.
> There's no good reason for anyone to have had to apply zoom ever in the
> first place. Web pages don't need to be rude, as their creators do have
> tools that enable them to embrace user defaults to get the results they
> want. The instant case if it remains as it is will remain particularly
> perplexing, as the TDE main site CSS is one of the very unfortunately few
> places on web where rude styling is not in place, in stark contrast its
> mailing list archive.