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Month: September 2010

Re: [trinity-users] Re: [trinity-announce] Trinity pre-release freeze

From: Jimmy Johnson <JimmyJhn@...>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:32:32 -0700
Timothy Pearson wrote:
>> Timothy Pearson wrote:
>>>> Also on the Squeeze install all the icons on the desktop belong to root?
>>>> Including trash and my documents, a strange "konqueror web browser" icon
>>>> is on the desktop belonging to root and I can not put it in the trash or
>>>> delete it, this is definitely not a "point-n-click" system.
>>> I was not sure if those icons should be included by default on Debian;
> they can be removed easily enough through the use of Configure
>>> Desktop->Behavior->Device Icons.  Simply deselect the icons you don't want
>>> to see and they will magically disappear.  This feature is similar to the
>>> old Microsoft system icons system; you cannot delete as you would other
> icons because they are part of the desktop itself.
>> On my laptops Lenny install I have icons, webcam, documents, home,
> system and trash, all those icons belong to "user: jimmy", "group:
> users", this has nothing to do with device icons, the Trinity Squeeze
> system says all the icons belong to root and that is the problem.
>> Even your Trinity on Ubuntu says the icons on the desktop belong to me
> "user: jimmy, group: jimmy" I can add and remove what I want.
> You can remove those icons from within the "Device Icons" page.  The
> reasoning behind making them root owned (and therefore impossible to
> delete from the desktop through "normal" means) is as follows:
> OLD WAY: User A decides to remove an icon from the desktop.  He or she
> deletes said icon through the delete key and empties the trash bin. User A
> later on decides that he or she wants the icon back.  Since it has been
> deleted, the only obvious way to get it back is to create a new profile
> from scratch (most people don't know about /etc/skel).  This is not
> exactly user-friendly!
> OLD WAY: Developer A notices that one of the icons is broken on some
> systems, so he decides to change the .desktop file responsible for the
> icon.  However, there is no way to propagate the change to existing user
> profiles, as /etc/skel is only copied on first login.  Therefore, the
> developer has to instruct people to recreate their profiles, or copy a
> file from /etc/skel and change permissions on it.  This is not user or
> developer friendly, and acts to make Trinity less accessible to the
> average user.
> NEW WAY: User B deactivates the icon through "Device Icons".  When User B
> wants the icon back, it is available in "Device Icons" and can be
> reenabled with a few mouse clicks.
> Developer B propagates a .desktop file changes to the system directory
> where the icons are stored.  All users receive the updated icon .desktop
> file transparently.
> What I can do is to change the default under Debian to not show the icons
> by default, however I would like some input from the other Debian users on
> this list as well.  Thoughts?
> Tim

Ok, now I see and understand what you have done.

You have added the Desktop Icons to Control Center, Desktop, Behavior, 
Device Icons tab so they can be controlled just like the Devices are by 
simply checking or un-checking a box, thanks, I like it and yes I see it 
as an improvement. :-D

Sorry to give you such a hard-time about something I did not see or 
understand. :-(

Jimmy Johnson

Debian Squeeze Trinity 3.5.11 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263