On Tuesday 01 September 2015 11:05:42 Gene Heskett wrote: > I can change it back, and I can stay here on the .cz site & > bleed a bit. Gene, you are not - listening? understanding? THERE IS NO BLEEDING. They are the packages that will be in 14.0.2 AS IS. You are thinking of Testing and Sid. These are release ready packages. I don't know where the beta ones are. TDE doesn't seem to run like that. Of course, bugs can be found at any stage, even in 14.0.1 - or 3.5.13.2. But by all means chop and change if it keeps you happy, and live with any bugs found in 14.0.1 until .2 is released. I like getting the patches as soon as they are available. Lisi