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Re: [trinity-users] Repositories for TDE was Re: [trinity-users] Slávek's repository

From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:40:18 +0100
On Monday 05 October 2015 22:11:47 Timothy Pearson wrote:
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> > Having had a very frustrating time trying to install r14 on a new
> > install, when I finally succeeded I went to bed.  But next morning I came
> > to update my
> > desktop - - and couldn't.  See the error message above.  I am
> > trying
> > to proseletise TDE, but I can't when installation and updating are so
> > horribly unreliable.  I convert people, and they say how lovely it is.
> > Start
> > using it.  Hit problems installing and updating and run away again.
> >
> > The over-riding problem is that only you have ever run a reliable
> > repository
> > ever since I have used TDE.
> In that case why don't you simply pick a mirror and use it?  From what you
> are saying any of the mirrors would be infinitely more reliable than the
> main site, so I would strongly suggest doing so.

That is what I have always done and is where we came in.  The mirror I had 
used for some time had become unreliable and I was looking to change.  I 
asked on the list about mirrors and Mike said that I should use the 
redirector.  I have now (after the recent conversation about how to chose a 
mirror) reset my sources.list to use a named mirror.  So I was only off a 
named site for six days.

But that is not what your site says to do, and I did not find the mirrors easy 
to find.  So it doesn't help with converts.

> > And we keep being directed to the pearson computing site because it will
> > direct us to the best mirror, but it doesn't.  How the United States
> > lives with its rotten infrastructure beats me.  I suppose it is used to
> > it, as we
> > are to our overcrowded roads and ancient train system.
> Well, our roads are crumbling and our train system is truly ancient, not
> to mention our atrocious public transport (where you take your life in
> your hands just to travel).  What's really frustrating is the lack of
> proper Internet service on top of all that.

_And_ you get bad weather. :-(

> > Google doesn't attempt to rely on the States:
> >
> > <quote>
> > Google data center locations. If you include data centers that are under
> > construction, Google has 19 locations in the US where they operate data
> > centers, 12 in Europe, one in Russia, one in South America, and three in
> > Asia.
> > </quote>
> Google is a multi-billion dollar business that makes money off of selling
> your private data to third parties.  Are you saying I can start selling
> any data I glean from your private systems for my own profit?  (NOTE: I
> don't do that, and in fact technically _can't_ do that, however the point
> on the differing business models is very real and valid.)  There is a BIG
> difference between grassroots open source (as TDE is) and large
> corporation-sponsored "open source" -- the latter works very rarely in the
> public interest, and at least in the US is almost always funded by some
> not so savory business practices.  Even the Linux kernel has some issues
> due to its corporate sponsorship; it will never be relicensed as GPLv3
> even though over time it is expected that most people will lose the
> ability to modify the kernel running on their systems as a result.  Scary
> stuff!

Yes, that is all valid.  I was making one point only - that servers based in 
the United States are unreliable.  Not that Google is a model to copy.

> > Please, please, please can the main public facing stuff be somewhere
> > else?
> If you read my prior Email you would know that it _will_ be placed
> somewhere else, in 3 - 6 months. 

No, I meant somewhere outside the United States.  Though any improvement is 
greatly welcomed.

> In the meantime Slavek and I are working 
> on a way to mitigate the access issues for certain services, although this
> is being done at the expense of security (watch your apt-get output
> carefully everyone, and make sure the GPG keys are valid....)

So can they at least please be on reliable servers?  And could you spoon-feed 
us and give us actual addresses?  

Thank you for everything you do, Tim.  I'm sorry that I can't help more.  But 
it is not obvious to me what I could do.  Proselytising is obviously 
counter-productive.  And I help on the list where I can, but that isn't much.


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