On Tuesday 06 October 2015 00.20:08 Timothy Pearson wrote: > I'm not going to continue this conversation further. From what you are > saying you are going to stop promoting TDE, and that's your decision, > however I really want you to understand that actions have consequences. > Just like the actions of thousands of people clamoring for better cloud > services, Netflix/Amazon/etc. movie streaming, etc. have damaged the > availability of symmetric Internet connections, if people stop supporting > TDE or even promoting it then it will die and disappear. Better warm up > those KDE SC 5 or Unity configurations, because that's all we'll have > left... > > Tim OK, so let's face the truth: How many TDE users are we? On this list I don't see much more than a dozen. Who is ready to contribute and how much? I don't know where big projects (KDE, Gnome) get their money from, but obviously we can't have a small, non-profit project supported by Tim alone, use it for free and them rant because it's not available like a big distribution. How much do we need to keep TDE alive, and how much can we get / are we ready to give? In the Linux world most are used to get everything for free, are we different? From Tim's tone I feel that if we dont address this issue _now_ we'll no more being installing a lot of TDEs, be it fast or slowly. Another idea to ease install problems: is it not possible to create some sort of install DVD? Most of us I guess are mostly installing the same distribution over and over, so installing TDE from a DVD or USB stick would save downloading it over and over, which costs money and generate frustration. Other projects also only publish final releases. If there are no contributors, we probably must accept the idea that we can't have nightly builds and other bleeding edge releases unless some good soul offers it to us. BUt what is sure is that if we don't _do_ something and just sit there ranting we want better services for no more (of our) money we'll have to keep our current installs running as they are or change our desktops... I'd love to be able to continue installing TDE... Thierry