Am Samstag, 19. Dezember 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:55:41 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 19 December 2015 08:12:09 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> > > On 2015/12/19 11:21 AM, Rolf Schmidt wrote:
> > > > You missed the point, it demands a root pw, that on this wheezy
> > > > system,
> > > >
> > > >> does not exist, so it cannot be launched from the menu entry by any
> > > >> pw entered.  The pw used for doing a sudo is not accepted.  That
> > > >> was my point.
> > >
> > > Again, I see nothing wrong on a general basis.
> > > If you are root (yes, not recommended I know) there is no problem to
> > > run ksysv at all. If you are a standard user, you type in the root
> > > password and everything works.
> > >
> > > If your setup does not use a root password or you do not have access
> > > to such password, you have the choice to edit the menu and remove the
> > > ksysv entry.
> >
> > debian wheezy has never had a root passwd known to the user.
> 
> Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Rubbish!  Debian has always had a root password.  If you 
> haven't got one it is because you aren't using a Wheezy but a CNC or soethnig 
> one. Debian _has_ started giving the option at install tine of not having one 
> if you don't want one instead of imposing one on you, but basically Wheezy 
> has a root password.
> 
> > Unless they 
> > follow Nik's proceedure to reset it. It does exist, but is not known to
> > the first user, so there rather effectively is not one as far as that
> > first user who has sudo rights is concerned.
> 
> Rubbish again.
> 
> > > IMHO, the menu entry is fine as it is now since it will work as
> > > expected for the majority of the users.
> >
> > Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux world.
> > Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most distro's today,
> 
> You are using Debian.  It is not deprecated.  IMHO this no root password 
> business is part of the creeping Ubuntuisation.
> 
> > using sudo instead, even in wheezy 
> 
> Sorry, Gene, but rubbish!
> 
> > which is considered elderly these 
> > days.
> >
> > > Unconventional setups will
> > > need special handling for this type of problem. Just my 2 cents
> 
> Quite Michele.  The Debian/TDE combination norm for a setup is to have a root 
> password.  It is not as though those who insist on being different cannot 
> sort it out easily, as you have Gene.  But you could always have used Ubuntu, 
> which does have sudo for the first user by default.  <shudder>
> 
> Lisi.

Hi Lisi!

Genes problem is indeed a problem of the linuxcnc live cd, which was formerly based on ubuntu but is now on wheezy. Somebody on the assembly line liked sudo better than su, which is quite funny. Now when Gene uses the linuxcnc livesystem (or that installed on a disk) he ends up with wheezy+ubuntu "make it esy"-stuff aka xfcs/sudo/systemd etc, which makes things qute interesting when you leave the red flaged paths. On the other hand, you can install linuxcnc on top of wheezy without that clutter, but you'll need to know where to go :-)

Nik



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