On Sunday 20 December 2015 07:54:59 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Samstag, 19. Dezember 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz: > > On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:55:41 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday 19 December 2015 08:12:09 Michele Calgaro wrote: > > > > On 2015/12/19 11:21 AM, Rolf Schmidt wrote: > > > > > You missed the point, it demands a root pw, that on this wheezy > > > > > system, > > > > > > > > > >> does not exist, so it cannot be launched from the menu entry by > > > > >> any pw entered. The pw used for doing a sudo is not accepted. > > > > >> That was my point. > > > > > > > > Again, I see nothing wrong on a general basis. > > > > If you are root (yes, not recommended I know) there is no problem to > > > > run ksysv at all. If you are a standard user, you type in the root > > > > password and everything works. > > > > > > > > If your setup does not use a root password or you do not have access > > > > to such password, you have the choice to edit the menu and remove the > > > > ksysv entry. > > > > > > debian wheezy has never had a root passwd known to the user. > > > > Rubbish! Rubbish! Rubbish! Debian has always had a root password. If > > you haven't got one it is because you aren't using a Wheezy but a CNC or > > soethnig one. Debian _has_ started giving the option at install tine of > > not having one if you don't want one instead of imposing one on you, but > > basically Wheezy has a root password. > > > > > Unless they > > > follow Nik's proceedure to reset it. It does exist, but is not known to > > > the first user, so there rather effectively is not one as far as that > > > first user who has sudo rights is concerned. > > > > Rubbish again. > > > > > > IMHO, the menu entry is fine as it is now since it will work as > > > > expected for the majority of the users. > > > > > > Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux > > > world. Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most distro's > > > today, > > > > You are using Debian. It is not deprecated. IMHO this no root password > > business is part of the creeping Ubuntuisation. > > > > > using sudo instead, even in wheezy > > > > Sorry, Gene, but rubbish! > > > > > which is considered elderly these > > > days. > > > > > > > Unconventional setups will > > > > need special handling for this type of problem. Just my 2 cents > > > > Quite Michele. The Debian/TDE combination norm for a setup is to have a > > root password. It is not as though those who insist on being different > > cannot sort it out easily, as you have Gene. But you could always have > > used Ubuntu, which does have sudo for the first user by default. > > <shudder> > > > > Lisi. > > Hi Lisi! > > Genes problem is indeed a problem of the linuxcnc live cd, which was > formerly based on ubuntu but is now on wheezy. Somebody on the assembly > line liked sudo better than su, which is quite funny. Now when Gene uses > the linuxcnc livesystem (or that installed on a disk) he ends up with > wheezy+ubuntu "make it esy"-stuff aka xfcs/sudo/systemd etc, which makes > things qute interesting when you leave the red flaged paths. On the other > hand, you can install linuxcnc on top of wheezy without that clutter, but > you'll need to know where to go :-) > > Nik Thanks, Nik! Lisi