On Sunday 20 December 2015 10:49:56 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 20 December 2015 15:12:17 Gene Heskett wrote: > > IMO a separate package should not be needed. To that end, if the > > package asks for a pw, and gets the 1st users pw as a response, it > > should be happy and run. There is little or no difference between > > root and 1st user as 1st user is generally the one who originally > > setup the system and should know it well. > > That is what Ubuntu users think, Gene. But Ubuntu is available, as is > TDE for Ubuntu.. > > > I was not aware, until this discussion, that debian did setup a root > > passwd, I had assumed that the buntu's inherited the sudo > > requirement from debian. > > No, it created it and the infection is spreading into Debian, on the > whole from Ubuntu users who switch. (Like you.) > > > I've one other machine that is running a 14.04 lubuntu > > LTS, my lappy, and you have my curiosity piqued now, so its booting. > > That takes a while as it seems to be convinced it must do an fsck > > everytime it boots, on a 100 gig drive. And that transition to sudo > > for everything is complete, there is not a passwd hash in the > > /etc/shadow file for root. > > > > It probably needs an update session so we'll see what synaptic wants > > to install. 4 new packages, 52 to be upgraded. It was last done a > > couple weeks ago, so the packagers have been busy. Updates I see > > include bind9 and grub plus a grocery list of other stuff. A new > > kernel too IIRC. > > > > So I am learning a bit, and now don't feel so crippled at having to > > use a root pw for some stuff. It was actually expected if it was > > pure debian. > > Quite!! And some of us really want it. ;-) > > Lisi > TBT Lisi, it has been handy here, even if I too failed to grok the reason for it years ago when the *buntu's first started it. Like most, if I set a root pw, it is going to be a considerably longer, mixed case and alphanumeric string I can remember. Let them spend a few hundred years using a dictionary attack at 10x/second being the operative theory... That MIGHT get them thru the router, but then they have to get to the machines. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Some mill pix are at: Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene/GO704-pix>