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Re: [trinity-users] Ubuntu is giving up on Mir and jumps on the Wayland bandwagon / create Wayland bug-tracker ticket for TDE

From: Gene Heskett <gheskett@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:21:39 -0400
On Thursday 06 April 2017 07:39:59 E. Liddell wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 07:38:03 +0200
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office@...> wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 6. April 2017 schrieb Jan Kleks:
> > > Here's the news:
> > >
> > > ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/
> > >
> > > I guess this would be essential for increasing Wayland adoption.
> > > And when it comes to Wayland and the TDE, could you create a
> > > bug-tracker ticket so that we can track progress (even if very
> > > slow) for TDE's Wayland support, please?
> >
> > It may be m ignorance, but I have never met Wayland in the wild.
> > What does it do, that X11 does not?
> It's easier for developers to maintain and extend.  X11 is a mass of
> crufty old code, vestigial organs whose functions have been taken over
> by other programs, and half-baked extensions, or so I'm told.  It
> likely has multiple security holes hidden in the less-used codepaths.
> For 90% of users, Wayland shouldn't make much difference.  The other
> 10% are going to have to find substitutes for features like display
> forwarding that X does but Wayland doesn't (and never will).  Despite
> this, Wayland is likely to be adopted by all distros eventually
> because no one wants to maintain X anymore.

If this "Wayland" can't do x11 forwarding and never will, its dead in the 
water and I'll torpedo it to sink it out of its misery so it can't 
interfere with my daily use. X11Forwarding is something I use here at 
the coyote.den many times a day, sometimes a given link remains in use 
for several days at a time when I am developing the next module of gcode 
to carve the next part.

X11Forwarding is the single, most useful feature of X11. Wayland had 
better grow some forwarding as usable as the x11 version it if it wants 
any adoption at all out here in the real world. ATM, and its my normal 
usage here, I have 5 "ssh -Y $usr@machine" links open right now and 4 
minimum, on a 24/7/365.25 basis.

> Porting TDE to Wayland will likely require some work on QT3 first. 
> Then on the window manager.  I'm not sure if it affects other
> components.
> E. Liddell

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