On Sat, 5 Aug 2017, Felix Miata wrote: > Felmon Davis composed on 2017-08-05 00:37 (UTC-0400): > > [ -- deleted material -- ] > >> I've made a little progress but let me give you some results: >> xrdb yields dpi = 120 I have some new results to share. before: >> xdpyinfo yields: >> 3200x1800 pixels (270x216 millimeters) > Peculiar. 270x216 is a 1.25/1 ratio, 5/4, normally only seen with 1280x1024 > resolution displays. 216 is a tad taller than that of a 1920x1080 17" screen. > >> resolution 301x212 dots per inch > > A bizarre ratio: 1.42:1. now I get: resolution: 96x96 dots per inch dimensions: 3200x1800 pixels (846x476 mm) why the difference? well, the terminal screen you get after shutting down X is really, really tiny and evidently, in one of my attempts to do something, I deleted /home/davisf! quite shocked when I couldn't log back in. luckily, it's a 'virgin' system so no loss. I adduser dummy, deluser davisf and then adduser davisf and was back. I reinstalled (apt-get) gdm and was able to log into Debian Desktop Environment fine; its dimensions were ok (as before). I then purged tde/tdm and installed again (apt-get). logged in ok with the usual font problems. then I punched around rather unsystematically trying different font sizes and also using 'GTK Styles and Fonts'; did a liberal dosage of 'about:config' in Firefox and fooling with kicker or whatever it's called. I wish I had taken more careful note because inevitably I will have to reproduce it all sometime. but the result is a pretty decent desktop. here is what I still am unhappy with: (a) though I can change most of the fonts in Pan, I cannot change the menu fonts; same for LibreOffice. I still need to get Apache Office up to see what it does. (b) if I kill X or boot into terminal, I get that teensy-weensy font on the terminal. I recall you discussing some kernel fixes for this.... if I could only find where the magic is for GTK config files. I do have .gtkrc-2.0.kde4 .gtkrc-2.0.kde-kde4 .config/gtk-3.0 if I only know what recipes to cook with. I have to run out now so will respond to a couple of points you made a bit later but wanted to get out this report. f. >> however: > >> your website yields what seem to me correct values except for dpi. it > > DPI and default font px size reporting require you let the scripts run. > >> seems not to capture the dpi values at all but maybe I misinterpret: >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--R0Wp8z2MkaTVtNmZ0TnRPNjg/view?usp=sharing> > > Interesting. Screen totals are correctly reported. Available and Viewport show > exactly the values expected for a somewhat common screen size of 2560x1440. I > have to wonder how you managed to get a Konq window to open at that size on a > 3200x1800 screen. Odds must be astronomical that it happened by accident. > >> I've commented out HorizSync and VertRefresh though I did run > >>> hwinfo --monitor | grep -A6 'river Inf' >> >> and it says "Size: 293x165 mm" > > > That's about as close as Xorg ever gets to accurate. My calculator says a 13.3" > screen should measure 294.44 by 165.62. Is that the result of using DisplaySize > in xorg.conf set to manufacturer's screen size specifications? > >> so there's some data (or there're some data) and a couple of >> incongruities. > >> I'll stop here and talk about the progress I alluded to earlier. > >> I think I have kde apps in ok shape by fooling with fonts and >> setting fonts to > >> System Settings >> 120 dpi > >> what doesn't work is management of LibreOffice, Firefox, the intro >> display for Trinity Control Center and various apps which I think are >> GTK (and then there's that grotesquely large login page). > > > I don't see exegnu on DistroWatch, so without it installed, or more information > on its web site than I've seen, I don't know if GTK3 is installed or what > toolkit your LO or FF packages are built using. It looks like GTK apps are just > not capable of reasonably responding to a display of such high DPI on exegnu, or > maybe without being run in Gnome or Mate or other GTK DE or absent some unusual > manual gtk configuration or additional package support. Your inability to find > any gtk*3* packages installed is somewhat puzzling. A distro released only late > last year ought to be providing at least basic GTK3 support. > >> I'll be installing Apache Office which I prefer but suspect it will >> have the same problem as LO. > >> it seems to me I have to fuss with GTK. > > Maybe searching in OO or LO forums for HiDPI discussions would prove fruitful. > > Maybe we need to have a look at your xorg.conf if you're still using it. > > At least let's see Xorg.0.log generated by the best configuration you've come up > with so far, with or without an xorg.conf. > >> or I may follow your advice below and alter the display mode. that's > for tomorrow or the next day. > > ... > >> I may return the laptop. > > Assuming running at lower than native resolution won't be acceptable to you, > that sounds like a good idea, unless you have really really good young eyes and > better tolerance for things tiny than the existence of this thread suggests. It > seems something in some software component, or maybe more than one, is just too > broken for working on a 276 physical DPI screen. > > Is Windows still on it? What are its display/screen and font settings? > -- Felmon Davis Time and tide wait for no man.