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Month: February 2018

Re: [trinity-users] Wiki CSS (was: tips on getting TDE to run smoothly)

From: William Morder <doctor_contendo@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:14:26 -0800

On Monday 19 February 2018 17:47:06 Felix Miata wrote:
> E. Liddell composed on 2018-02-19 19:15 (UTC-0500):
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:49:16 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:
> >> For me, the wiki page above is quite sufficient, once the target distro
> >> installation has been completed. The harder part is finding that page in
> >> the first place. From
> >> it's not
> >> obvious to me that
> >>
> >> 	TDE
> >> 	Documentation
> >>
> >> following
> >>
> >> 	Main page
> >> and
> >> 	Recent changes
> >>
> >> is how to eventually find it. The left column on that page needs to be
> >> wider so that the link is not split over two lines when its font is
> >> forced to a legible size.
> >
> > How large a font size do you need for this to be "legible" to you?  I'm
> > asking as the person who created the modified skin for the TDE wiki--I
> > assumed that 11pt bold Arial/Libre Sans would be sufficient for most
> > people using a normal-sized screen (that is, not a phone or very small
> > tablet), but if a lot of people are having problems, I might have to see
> > about revising it.
> 11pt physical would be a fine and dandy size in that context, but
> specifying 11pt in any "current" web browser other than one using the KHTML
> engine gets you 11px, which can be vastly different from 11pt, depending on
> screen density. CSS since 2.1 or thereabouts made the px unit exactly equal
> to the pt unit, making spec-compliant browsers unable to specify accurate
> physical sizes unless physical screen density is equal to 96 DPI. KHTML
> (Konq) never complied with this spec, while Gecko browsers do offer a
> workaround for those willing to write custom rules using its proprietary
> mozmm unit.
> If you s/11pt/.917rem/ in #mw-navigation on screen.css:64 you should get a
> close approximation of 11pt "physical" size if the near universal default
> 16px/12pt remains in effect in the browser in use, and if you are using any
> moderately recent 100% spec-compliant browser (which excludes Konq, which
> has no rem unit support).
> However, as long as you retain the 170px sidebar width, you'll find the
> same problem with overflow I see here as the user's screen density deviates
> above 96 DPI. s/170px/10.625rem/ for div#mw-panel in screen.css:590 might
> be enough to fix the sidebar width, but doing that would undoubtedly create
> need for other sizing rule adjustments.
> shows what I see. 11px CSS
> equates to 30.25% of my browser's default 12pt (20px) size.

I don't care so much about font size; Firefox is my general-purpose torified 
web browser, and I force my own settings for fonts, colors, etc. on all 
sites. If I still can read something, I just manually enlarge the text with 
CTRL-+. And if I want to view a website the way the designers intended, then 
I use another browser. 

However, I do care about the general organization of the Trinity pages, as 
it's hard for noobies to find their way to what they need. I imagine this is 
just because the website was started by designers and maintainers, then 
accumulated other pages rather haphazardly, as new stuff was added. The 
people who have been hanging round here for years are used to it (and it 
doesn't really bother me personally); but when I've heard from other people, 
they are under the impression that nothing is being maintained, and that 
active development has stopped. 

They don't realize that, of course, Trinity is developed and maintained by 
volunteers. If I can be of some help, by the way, I am open to suggestions; 
because I really want TDE to stay alive. I've tried many other different DEs, 
and this is still the best.