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Re: [trinity-users] "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning

From: William Morder <doctor_contendo@...>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:20:18 -0700

On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:17:38 William Morder wrote:
> On Saturday 17 March 2018 23:58:25 Felix Miata wrote:
> > William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19 (UTC-0700):
> > > I did give the list a look, and it is impressive; however, it isn't
> > > GNU/Linux (or at least, the site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either -
> > no Mint, no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity
> > certainly isn't mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that
> > very limited list (of distros I never even heard of) important to you?
> I don't want to use proprietary or non-free software. Trinity is included
> in a number of GNU/Linux distros, including exegnulinux, GnuSense, some
> Devuan, etc. TDE, so far as I know, is free/libre by design. Trinity isn't
> in that list because it is not an operating system, but only a desktop
> environment. Anyway, I told you that I wasn't a purist; I use Trinity
> because it works better for me.
> > 2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable for anyone wishing to run
> > gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other
> > purposes dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be
> > installed, that's not how I use it.
> It might be useful to me for that reason, because it has other tools. I
> only need a live disc for repartitioning at this particular time, not for
> long term. However, I won't knock it without having tried the most recent
> version, because I might find those tools useful at some point.
> > 3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because of special software
> > that enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free
> > download, just like Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12
> > that are on that list.
> Free as in freedom, not free as in free beer. It is not just the cost, but
> also what I am legally allowed to do with my software. Software that is
> non-free or proprietary specifically forbids modifying the code, or using
> it in a manner other than that for which it was intended (i.e., "hacking"
> in the original sense of the word, as opposed to "cracking", which is doing
> illegal stuff like breaking into networks or other people's computers). I
> only want to be able to make my system do whatever I want, and to modify
> software if I so choose.
> > 4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity should be usable on a HD
> > installation of it without special effort.
> No special effort. I just want what I want.

By the way, Knoppix includes systemd in that list:

That's why I am making the switch to Devuan, because I don't like how systemd 
runs. There is a lot of controversy around this particular item, and I am not 
qualified to speak to the details. However, from what I understand, it's very 
big, and either involves a lot of dependencies that are non-free, or includes 
components that are non-free, and due to its size there are all kinds of 
things about it which cannot be verified by the community, and apparently 
Debian admins & devs have no intention of making it better. 

So there is this surge towards Devuan, and some other distros like it (for 
example, Refracta). All I know is, my system hangs up, especially when I am 
trying to shutdown, and it always shows systemd doing something for ever, and 
never completing that task; it can go on for hours like this. Much easier 
just to change to sysvinit, and own my own computer again. 

But like you said, I don't need to install Knoppix, just to use the tools on 
the disc. I could probably use the Debian live DVD in the same manner, as it 
also has gparted; but I rather like booting up a disc that only does one 
thing, and does it well. 


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