On Sunday 18 March 2018 08:01:39 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 18. M�rz 2018 schrieb Frank Lienhard: > > [...] > > > > > As I point out in my "quick & dirty" method, I avoid these problems by > > > saving the packages to an external drive, then use dpkg to install them > > > when necessary. > > > > In the beginning of KDE4 I thought I might use trinity myself, but went > > more "spartan" some time ago by using fluxbox. And since I learned, that > > this "special" user tends to forget things anyway, I use anydesk now to > > solve problems, which are the same anyway and are NOT depending on which > > DE is used, so maybe I just use software from the official repros to > > avoid trouble like this. > > If you stay with debian be prepared for systemd shooting it's foot in > creative ways ... Already doing my homework online. If anybody wants links to Devuan stuff, by the way, I found some interesting posts about what to install and purge, and how to enable networking before installation (thus solving a big problem with Debian-type installations); how to get rid of both systemd and dbus. I hear that systemd is better in many ways, and that there really are two sides to this story. However, I see how systemd performs on my system all the time (especially when I try to shutdown or reboot), and I long for the simple, slow sanity of sysvinit again. Bill