On 06/09/2018 01:51 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 schrieb David C. Rankin: >> On 06/09/2018 10:19 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: >>> >>> Interesting. "udisks/udisks2" is not installed, but "pmount". Mounting removable devices without "pmount" fails. I also have no networkmanager running (just plain dhcp on eth0). Sounds good to me :-) >>> >>> On FreeBSD it looks like the TDEs hal-component does not work propperly when hal is compiled without consolekit/policykit: it just shows the interlan hd, but no removeable media - devd based automount still works propperly. >> Consolekit was also needed for tdm to implement mulit-seat. I do not know the >> current state of systemd inheriting the multi-seat functionality from >> consolekit, but when I was building TDE for Arch, when arch dropped consolekit >> and went to pure systemd, it broke tdm and there was a big push to implement >> multi-seat without consolekit that was never quite brought to fruition. >> >> Slavek probably recalls that mess. A good introduction of the >> consolekit/polkit/udisk relationship is: >> >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multiseat >> > > That's an interesting article. So aparently consolekit/polkit/udisk and desendents are still around to solve a the multiseat "problem" which died when? 1995? Am I missing some bigger picture here? > > Somehow the documentation of consolekit makes me smile in that context: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html "Defining the Problem ... To be written." > > Polkit documentation is no better, 2. paragraph under "Usage in unprivileged programs" > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit-apps.html - translates to "avoid polkit" to me. > > Ok, as I mentioned before, on devuan nothing changes after I got rid of consolekit/polkit/elogind. > > On FreeBSD things are a bit different: I compiled sysutils/hal without consolekit2 and without polkit. I removed consolekit2 and polkit. After restarting hald, "konqueror media:/" works almost as expected: I get one error message "device busy", reloading shows the content of the media. Unmounting gives an error message, but the device is unmounted correctly (which does not happen with consolekit+polkit). But there is no atempt made to mount the device twice (which was what I wrote about some days ago) which is a big plus for me. Hi Nik, I was able to remove consolekit and it was replaced by devuan packages but removing polkit also removes synaptic and I don't want to remove synaptic. Isn't polkit and elogind now harmless devuan packages? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263