Hi Jimmy,
Am Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
> On 06/09/2018 01:51 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 schrieb David C. Rankin:
> >> On 06/09/2018 10:19 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Interesting. "udisks/udisks2" is not installed, but "pmount". Mounting removable devices without "pmount" fails. I also have no networkmanager running (just plain dhcp on eth0). Sounds good to me :-)
> >>>
> >>> On FreeBSD it looks like the TDEs hal-component does not work propperly when hal is compiled without consolekit/policykit: it just shows the interlan hd, but no removeable media - devd based automount still works propperly.
> 
> 
> >> Consolekit was also needed for tdm to implement mulit-seat. I do not know the
> >> current state of systemd inheriting the multi-seat functionality from
> >> consolekit, but when I was building TDE for Arch, when arch dropped consolekit
> >> and went to pure systemd, it broke tdm and there was a big push to implement
> >> multi-seat without consolekit that was never quite brought to fruition.
> >>
> >> Slavek probably recalls that mess. A good introduction of the
> >> consolekit/polkit/udisk relationship is:
> >>
> >>   https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multiseat
> >>
> > 
> > That's an interesting article. So aparently consolekit/polkit/udisk and desendents are still around to solve a the multiseat "problem" which died when? 1995? Am I missing some bigger picture here?
> > 
> > Somehow the documentation of consolekit makes me smile in that context: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html "Defining the Problem ... To be written."
> > 
> > Polkit documentation is no better, 2. paragraph under "Usage in unprivileged programs"
> > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit-apps.html - translates to "avoid polkit" to me.
> > 
> > Ok, as I mentioned before, on devuan nothing changes after I got rid of consolekit/polkit/elogind.
> > 
> > On FreeBSD things are a bit different: I compiled sysutils/hal without consolekit2 and without polkit. I removed consolekit2 and polkit. After restarting hald, "konqueror media:/" works almost as expected: I get one error message "device busy", reloading shows the content of the media. Unmounting gives an error message, but the device is unmounted correctly (which does not happen with consolekit+polkit). But there is no atempt made to mount the device twice (which was what I wrote about some days ago) which is a big plus for me.
> 
> 
> Hi Nik, I was able to remove consolekit and it was replaced by devuan 
> packages but removing polkit also removes synaptic and I don't want to 
> remove synaptic.  Isn't polkit and elogind now harmless devuan packages?
> 
> Thanks,

GNOME-stuff forces you to use those ingeniouse freedesktop.org inventions, so with synaptic you are out of luck. BTW, have you tried kpackage-trinity?

I don't know if the devuan versions of polkit and elogind are harmful. They just got in my way. On FreeBSD they were in my way from day one :-(

Nik


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