On Saturday 14 July 2018 23:41:36 deloptes wrote:
> William Morder wrote:
> > I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
> > FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
> > could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
> > upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
> > systemd problems.
>
> I discussed this in the debian user list. I was pointed out that installing
> sysv* (don't know exactly which one) replaces systemd as init process.
> I have installed
> ii  sysv-rc                                 2.88dsf-59.9
> all          System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
> ii  sysvinit-core                           2.88dsf-59.9
> amd64        System-V-like init utilities
> ii  sysvinit-utils                          2.88dsf-59.9
> amd64        System-V-like utilities
>
> systemd is still there, but it is not the init process and all works just
> fine.
>
> ii  dbus-user-session                       1.10.26-0+deb9u1
> all          simple interprocess messaging system (systemd --user
> integration)
> ii  libpam-systemd:amd64                    232-25+deb9u3
> amd64        system and service manager - PAM module
> ii  libsystemd0:amd64                       232-25+deb9u3
> amd64        systemd utility library
> ii  libsystemd0:i386                        232-25+deb9u3
> i386         systemd utility library
> ii  systemd                                 232-25+deb9u3
> amd64        system and service manager
> ii  systemd-shim                            10-3
> amd64        shim for systemd
>
> I am pretty happy with this setup.
>
> regards
>
>
Right, that's where I am headed. I noticed that my Devuan system ran pretty 
well before I uninstalled other systemd processes. If not for these bugs (or 
whatever they are) that seem to be something new in Devuan, I was liking 
Devuan better than Debian. 

If it didn't involve breaking some rules and the risk of wrecking one's 
system, they wouldn't call it hacking. :-] Well, anyway, I have been hacking 
away on my own computers since about 1980-81; and when I briefly studied 
computer programming in the 1970s, it meant IBM punch cards. So I am not 
afraid of making a mess of things. It can always be restored. 

Thanks for this information, as it will help me find my way. I have a lot of 
Devuan packages that I've saved, but it's good to know what works for other 
people. 

Bill