On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote: > Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems > administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my > relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same things > and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the > time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent > products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. > So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed > and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater > appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive. Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic. Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to give up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely. I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand. In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even close (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least as a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE. What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there is a lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt. Bill > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo@...> > > wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote: > > > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are > > > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example > > > is Doom > > > > 2016 > > > > > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a > > > > huge > > > > > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1 > > > > and > > > > > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early > > > > 80s. > > > > > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install > > > it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go > > > the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I > > > will > > > > write > > > > > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the > > > last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a > > > system > > > > much > > > > > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they > > > did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really > > > fun > > > > game. > > > > > > Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I > > mean, I > > did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple > > others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old > > friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So > > while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a > > generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that > > stuff, and had other interests. > > > > My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on > > it. He > > was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the > > keyboard > > and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in > > any > > case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he > > went > > on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended > > (though > > in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more > > practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would > > probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like > > that), > > and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet. > > > > What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux, > > or at > > least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but > > I > > would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games > > that > > blow away Windoze and Apple versions. > > > > Bill > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder < > > > > doctor_contendo@...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote: > > > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > hoses > > > > > > > > > the sound in any wine programs. > > > > > > > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better > > > > software than > > > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the > > > > trouble > > > > of > > > > > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, > > > > so I > > > > > > will try not to judge.... > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX > > > > repositories. I > > > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that > > > > somebody > > > > else is hosting. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@ > > lists.pearsoncomputing.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@lists. > > pearsoncomputing.net > > Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users. > > pearsoncomputing.net/ > > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity. > > pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting