On Wednesday 03 October 2018 16:12:30 Kate Draven wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 October 2018 10:41:10 Felmon Davis wrote:
> > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > Am Dienstag, 2. Oktober 2018 schrieb deloptes:
> > > >> Marvin Jones wrote:
> > > >>> All of this "stuff" is Religion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Religion, Ideology, Philosophy
> > > >
> > > > All good reasons to fetch forks and torches, pile up the bonfires
> > > > and hunt for ... oh, it's oktober ...
> > >
> > > however I'd warn against belittling ethical concerns as "religion,
> > > ideology, philosophy" in the pejorative sense of the words (even when
> > > we disagree).
> > >
> > > f.
> >
> > Since we are going far off-topic, I would remind everybody that all this
>
> talk
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> > of "religion, ideology, philosophy" (pejorative or not) started with the
> > notion that our choice of software and/or operating system is somehow
> > a "political action" or a rebellion. (Choice of software meaning, e.g.,
> > proprietary versus so-called "open source", or better, free/libre.)
> >
> > I pointed out that some would try to frame all our words and actions (or
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> lack
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> > of them) in political terms, as I used to be confronted by Marxists who
> > used that argument. In the same way, our choice of food (kosher/halal, or
> > not)
>
> may
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> > be regarded by some as a religious choice. And so on.
> >
> > All these are types of fundamentalist thinking (about which you and I
> > have
>
> had
>
> > discussions already). I see no harm in the universal awakening to a kind
> > of "everything is love" experience, the desire to help others, to
> > identify one's own being with every atom in the Universe, to get a sense
> > that everything is Divine. This is a sort of "diversity is unity"
> > paradox. The problem creeps in when, for example, those of a literalist
> > bent would try to force everybody everywhere into their narrow
> > interpretation of [*fill in the blank here*]. And this is why "religion,
> > ideology, philosophy" come to be regarded as negative, or mostly
> > negative.
> >
> > So the question is, How to achieve the greatest degree of freedom,
> > happiness and fulfillment for the most people, while yet not infringing
> > on that of others, or offending against their way of life? The short
> > answer is, It
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> can't
>
> > be done; not really. We can only try to broaden our experiences and
> > understanding, act with good will and generosity towards others, and hope
>
> and
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> > trust for the same in return.
> >
> > Regarding how this principle applies to software: Run GNU/Linux, with the
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> TDE
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> > desktop. Problem solved.
> >
> > For myself, by the way, I am glad that I cannot swim. That way, I will
> > drown and fail the test, and spare myself getting burned at the stake.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> As a born and raised Irish witch, I can say this.
> We believe in simple things.
>
> "My freedoms end, when such freedoms infringe upon another"
> "Live and Let Live"
> "To each their own"
> "Never assume to understand another, instead ask them to teach about
> themselves."
> "Never redefine another person's words."
>
> There's more but I think I got what counts for this.
>
> I choose gnu linux and kde because they worked. Everything else came after.
> No politics no religion, no nothing. I needed a tool that would actually
> work and as it turns out, was within me price range.. free.
>
> I don't know how this was started. I will blame William of Morder, as I
> always do, just easiest thing to do. In any case, that's all I have to say.
> Hope I haven't offended anyone.
>
> Kate
> The Great and Terrible.
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>
>

Glad to be useful for something. 

Bill