On Friday 05 July 2019 21:05:29 David C. Rankin wrote:
> W A I T ...  W A I T ...  W A I T ...
>
> Do not ask a question by changing the title to an old question and posting
> it. That destroys message threading. This current message was buried at the
> bottom of the original thread:
>
> [trinity-users] chat clients - cannot connect  - 2/14/19
>

Ummm ... I don't know what to say! I created a new email from scratch. It 
wasn't a response to a previous post, so maybe that has something to do with 
your filters? 

I don't know how it could have happened otherwise. It was a new email, new 
title, and so far as I can tell, it ought to be a new question; therefore, it 
is a completely new thread. I even made up all the words myself, and did not 
plagiarize, honest! (I only plagiarize poems, because T.S. Eliot told me that 
was how all the best poets write.) 

Maybe it has been asked before, but not by myself, and I did not respond to a 
previous email to start this thread. 

Anyway, 'tis a mystery, at least to me. But to return our muttons ... 

> On 07/05/2019 06:16 PM, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
> > There are actually two issues, maybe three; but I think maybe they are
> > all related to the panel, thus I put them together here.
> >
> > 1. is trivial, but still annoying. Whenever I start up certain apps, I
> > get a two icons in the panel; a smaller icon, but also a shadow icon - a
> > larger reduplication  of the original - but I only need the first. I have
> > got in the habit of just killing the shadow icons by running the command
> > pkill ksystraycmd, and then it goes away until I run another app.
> >
> > Somehow or other (back when I was running KDE3), I found a way to
> > suppress the shadow icons, but now I can't find it in my notes, and
> > nothing online. I went into TCC, and unclicked boxes in menu items, etc.,
> > but it keeps returning.
>
> First, just so I am clear you are not talking about the application name
> and icons shown in the taskbar, and then the smaller icons displayed in the
> pager are you?
>
> > 2. Panel hiding is much more annoying. Quite by accident, when some
> > object on my desk hits the mouse, my panel suddenly hides, and will not
> > come back. I've tried changing settings, locking the panel, etc.; it even
> > survives reboots and shutdowns. I try clicking to restore the panel, and
> > NOTHING HAPPENS, and continues not to happen, for ever.
>
> You do not have panel hiding selected in TCC->Desktop->Panels (Hiding tab)
> [ ] Hide automatically do you?

No, I dislike when the panel (or kicker) hides. If I could disable it 
completely, that would be better; but I hedge a little, because then maybe 
for some reason, once in a thousand days, I want to make it hide because some 
button or something is covered by my lower panel. That is very rare, but on 
those very few occasions I've wanted to make it hide, so I can imagine that 
it might happen again. Otherwise, I prefer to make the panel fixed right 
where it is. 
>
> To restart, use Alt+F2
>
>   dcop kicker kicker restart
>
> or
>
>   dcop kicker Panel restart
>
> "Panel" is a dcop alias for "kicker" but may not be present in your system.
> You can always open an konsole (or an xterm) and type
>
>   dcop kicker          (now look at list)
>
> then to see what you can do, just add any of the next items listed, e.g.
>
>   dcop kicker kicker   (now you should see restart())
>
> > 3. When I unlock the panel, and move round the icons, it gets totally
> > messed up. Even if I lock it, the icons keep moving round, and again,
> > this behavior survives through reboots and shutdowns. When at last I get
> > my icons to behave, and lock the panel and leave it alone.
>
> Log out of TDE, then switch to another desktop (or use ctrl+alt+f2 to
> switch to a text terminal and login) then move or delete kickerrc to force
> restoration of the default panel:
>
>   mv ~/.tde/share/config/kickerrc ~/.tde/share/config/kickerrc.sav
>
> Now log back into TDE.
>
> > For 2 & 3, I have tried killing the panel by running pkill kicker, then
> > restarting, but this doesn't work so well. When it does work at all, the
> > panel appears on only one out of my 20 desktops, and again, this
> > sometimes persists through multiple reboots.
>
> Of course, TDE settings and configs are persistent and most are stored in
> ~/.tde/share/config

I will give the rest of these suggestions a try. I dug down deep into the 
config files when I ran KDE3, but for the most part I have just copied them 
over to the appropriate place in TDE, when I can find them. Sometimes they 
have been changed in such a way that I cannot preserve my settings, because 
the config files are no longer text files in some instances, but xml and 
other extensions. 

In any case, I have managed to restore my panel (i.e., kicker, or 
kicker-trinity, or maybe it will get renamed ticker?). I'll report my results 
after I explore these issues further. 

Bill