On Monday 31 August 2020 02:12:03 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Mon, 31 Aug 01:42:37 -0700 > > William Morder via trinity-users scripsit: > > On Monday 31 August 2020 01:12:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Anno domini 2020 Mon, 31 Aug 01:04:19 -0700 > > > > > > William Morder via trinity-users scripsit: > > > > On Monday 31 August 2020 00:54:16 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > > > > On 2020-08-30 20:26:35 William Morder via trinity-users wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday 30 August 2020 17:36:37 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > > > > > > On 2020-08-30 19:27:34 William Morder via trinity-users wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sunday 30 August 2020 17:19:08 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 2020-08-30 19:07:51 Sl�vek Banko wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 31 of August 2020 01:40:16 Felix Miata via > > > > > > > > > > tde-users > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > deloptes composed on 2020-08-31 01:01 (UTC+0200): > > > > > > > > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Does TDE have an app made for this purpose? If yes, > > > > > > > > > > > >> what's it called. If not, suggest something please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't konqueror working for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK Android also uses MTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found out recently (for a second time) that I > > > > > > > > > > > > need udisks2. Konqueror does the rest assuming you > > > > > > > > > > > > have the tdeio plugins and the permissions. > > > > > > > > > > > > My phone is not exactly android, but MTP is MTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Konq's media doesn't show it. Konq says protocol not > > > > > > > > > > > supported if I type in mtp:/ or mtp:///. If mtp://, it > > > > > > > > > > > lists / content. No kind of popup announces phone's > > > > > > > > > > > been connected, even though kernel certainly noticed: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # rpm -qa | egrep -i 'udisk|tdeb|eio' | sort > > > > > > > > > > > libudisks2-0-2.6.5-lp151.3.3.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-bin-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-data-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-libtqt3-integration-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86 > > > > > > > > > > >_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-runtime-data-common-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86 > > > > > > > > > > >_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-tdeio-pim-plugins-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_6 > > > > > > > > > > >4 trinity-tdebase-tdeio-plugins-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebase-tdeio-smb-plugin-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebindings-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdebindings-java-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > trinity-tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86 > > > > > > > > > > >_64 trinity-tdepim-tdeio-plugins-14.0.8-1.oss151.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > udisks2-2.6.5-lp151.3.3.x86_64 > > > > > > > > > > > # dmesg tail > > > > > > > > > > > [ 16.257759] sky2 0000:05:00.0 eth0: enabling > > > > > > > > > > > interface [ 220.180082] usb 3-2: new full-speed USB > > > > > > > > > > > device number 2 using uhci_hcd [ 220.320054] usb 3-2: > > > > > > > > > > > device descriptor read/64, error -71 [ 220.564091] usb > > > > > > > > > > > 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 [ 221.008081] > > > > > > > > > > > usb 3-2: new full-speed USB device number 3 using > > > > > > > > > > > uhci_hcd [ 221.144082] usb 3-2: device descriptor > > > > > > > > > > > read/64, error -71 [ 221.388055] usb 3-2: device > > > > > > > > > > > descriptor read/64, error -71 [ 221.496101] usb > > > > > > > > > > > usb3-port2: attempt power cycle [ 221.940075] usb 3-2: > > > > > > > > > > > new full-speed USB device number 4 using uhci_hcd [ > > > > > > > > > > > 222.356061] usb 3-2: device not accepting address 4, > > > > > > > > > > > error -71 [ 222.484064] usb 3-2: new full-speed USB > > > > > > > > > > > device number 5 using uhci_hcd [ 222.900051] usb 3-2: > > > > > > > > > > > device not accepting address 5, error -71 [ > > > > > > > > > > > 222.900086] usb usb3-port2: unable to enumerate USB > > > > > > > > > > > device [ 294.379489] FS-Cache: Loaded [ 294.408171] > > > > > > > > > > > RPC: Registered named UNIX socket transport module. [ > > > > > > > > > > > 294.408174] RPC: Registered udp transport module. [ > > > > > > > > > > > 294.408175] RPC: Registered tcp transport module. > > > > > > > > > > > [ 294.408175] RPC: Registered tcp NFSv4.1 backchannel > > > > > > > > > > > transport module. [ 294.441320] FS-Cache: Netfs 'nfs' > > > > > > > > > > > registered for caching [ 294.452516] Key type > > > > > > > > > > > dns_resolver registered [ 294.484410] NFS: Registering > > > > > > > > > > > the id_resolver key type [ 294.484422] Key type > > > > > > > > > > > id_resolver registered [ 294.484423] Key type id_legacy > > > > > > > > > > > registered > > > > > > > > > > > [ 322.793093] sky2 0000:05:00.0 eth0: Link is up at > > > > > > > > > > > 1000 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both > > > > > > > > > > > [ 323.000756] NET: Registered protocol family 17 > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some time ago I looked that for newer phones that > > > > > > > > > > probably prefer MPT transfers instead of traditional > > > > > > > > > > usb-storage, we will probably need to port something like > > > > > > > > > > this to TDE - tdeio-slave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/KDE/kio-mtp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm... My relatively elderly Samsung SM-920A worked > > > > > > > > > automagically after I plugged it in via USB; the phone > > > > > > > > > asked me if I wanted to allow data sharing via MTP, and > > > > > > > > > when I poked Allow the media manager appeared on my > > > > > > > > > desktop, showing 'Unknown device 1-12:1.0, Medium type: > > > > > > > > > Camera, with choices of Open in new window, digiKam Detect > > > > > > > > > and Download, or Do Nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, older phones worked just by plugging in to USB; it was > > > > > > > > as easy as using a flash drive. The newer phones have gone to > > > > > > > > this MTP protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I said, my old phone Does use the MTP protocol, and it > > > > > > > shows up in the Removable Media manager. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was saying this more for the benefit of others. Don't > > > > > > waste your time trying to get the newer phones to work like that, > > > > > > because things have changed. Now we need to use other methods or > > > > > > protocols to get there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had an old Samsung Android that I used for work, a few years > > > > > > ago. (I forget the exact model now, as it wasn't mine to keep, > > > > > > and I used it only for work.) But I just plugged it in, and > > > > > > presto! > > > > > > > > > > > > So when I got a slightly newer phone (Samsung Galaxy On5 S550TL), > > > > > > I imagined, wrongly, that I would be able to do the same, but it > > > > > > is not so. Only by accident did I discover that MATE's Caja file > > > > > > manager seems to recognize the MTP protocol. As for your phone, I > > > > > > don't know: is it rooted? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > It is not. > > > > > If I understand you correctly, MTP works for older phones but not > > > > > newer ones? I had the impression from reading this thread that MTP > > > > > was something new; now I'm confused. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Leslie > > > > > > > > I cannot say authoritatively whether MTP is "new" or "old"; what I do > > > > know is that I never saw that protocol with my old phone. I could > > > > just connect my phone to computer using a USB plug, and it worked > > > > just like a flash drive. > > > > > > > > When I got a newer phone, it didn't work, and that's when I heard > > > > about MTP, so I assume that it is newer. Maybe it was always around, > > > > for as long as smartphones, but I didn't notice because it just > > > > worked. Regardless, whether MTP is a recent development or not, > > > > something has been fundamentally changed, so we must find different > > > > ways to get there. > > > > > > I use "adb" to get things from testdevices or put things onto > > > devices("Testdevices" 'cause don't use a smartphone). MTP has been > > > around for more than 15 years, but I never got it to work. > > > > > > > Bill > > > > Don't use a smartphone, that's smart. > > > > Anyway ... if the phone is rooted, then I believe that this problem is > > supposed to disappear. This is on my list, but there are other things > > that rank higher or are more immediate concerns. > > Won't spill the fun, but the problem might not disappear. I have here a > Samsng Galaxy note something with linageos. It can't do > usb-masstorage-device. > I wonder if something like a PinePhone would be more cooperative -- or a phone with Replicant installed, or other free/libre OS? I've been considering one of those options, because otherwise I believe that I will move back to a landline. Bill