On Thursday 03 September 2020 12:26:01 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Anno domini 2020 Thu, 3 Sep 10:27:43 -0700
>
>  William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
> > On Thursday 03 September 2020 10:01:53 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > Anno domini 2020 Thu, 3 Sep 07:57:03 -0700
> > >
> > >  William Morder via trinity-users scripsit:
> > > > While I have Internet, of a sort, I still have a few glitches; for
> > > > example, I cannot go offline, then go online again. Somehow, wicd
> > > > either auto-connects to my wifi network; when instead, I want to
> > > > enable wifi, then look at the available network choices, because my
> > > > local network has several nodes or access points within the building
> > > > where I live, and somehow it doesn't always choose the strongest or
> > > > closest signal. I have an access point right outside my door, yet
> > > > autoconnect seems to avoid it.
> > > >
> > > > But when I try to disconnect, sometimes wicd seems to hang on, and
> > > > show me still connected, yet I can't download emails or go online for
> > > > other stuff. When I run macchanger, it keeps showing me that my mac
> > > > address changes; and I run knetstats-trinity (which is a nice simple
> > > > gui tool) and it shows my wireless is connected then disconnected,
> > > > shows activity then no activity; yet in reality, I can't go online.
> > > > So my only recourse at this point is to reboot.
> > > >
> > > > When I tried to get tdenetworkmanager to run, I had those problems
> > > > already discussed earlier. I managed to download the packages and
> > > > dependencies to install network-manager-tde without systemd, so it
> > > > all *seems* like it ought to work out right, but I always end up
> > > > going back to wicd; which, again, is only sort of half-working at the
> > > > moment, and I must keep rebooting.
> > > >
> > > > How would I go about pruning away the wicd stuff that I don't want,
> > > > and keeping only the tdenetworkmanager and required dependencies,
> > > > etc.? I've search apt-get, but I believe that I already have all the
> > > > dependencies and recommends. I can't think what else I might have
> > > > missed.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > >
> > > Just my experience: eiter use wicd (and uninstall network-manager) or
> > > use networkmanager (and uninstall wicd).
> >
> > Yeah, that's where I think I am headed. I already spent most of the past
> > two years using wicd instead of tdenetworkmanager. I just keep hoping
> > that I will get a different answer, so I ask the fortune teller to give
> > me another reading, and then another ...
> >
> > I would be okay with using wicd instead; no problem. But now when I go
> > offline, wicd doesn't offer me "options" -- that is, it looks like it
> > hangs on, like it's still online, and I cannot get back online without
> > rebooting.
> >
> > Maybe I should run wicd as root? I don't like to do that. Usually wicd
> > doesn't behave in this manner, which I why I'm bothered.
>
> the deamon part of wicd runs as root, your gui client communicates with
> that daemon. there's also a wicd-cli for pure hearted.
>
> btw, what's in your /etc/netwok/interfaces? since beowulf/buster anything
> but "lo" will give trouble.
>
> > I am not in control of my network connection -- as proved by the fact
> > that I can't go online/offline or offline/online without rebooting. This
> > is what is driving me crazy.
> >
> > If anybody is annoyed by my complaints, and failure to resolve my own
> > issues, please be patient with me, and remember that I never had any
> > problems with my network itself for the past few years. I would bounce
> > between
> > tdenetworkmanager and wicd, it's true, but my network connection was
> > stable, and I felt in control. I had other problems, yes, but this is
> > different.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >

Looks like so: 
###########
source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

auto eth0
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

# auto wlx00027288d1fd
allow-hotplug wlx00027288d1fd
iface wlx00027288d1fd inet dhcp
        wpa-ssid myssid
        wpa-psk mypassphrase
###########
The only thing changed since sometime in remote prehistory (before TDE) is the 
line that used to read wlan0, which is now that ugly wlx-stuff. 

Bill