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[trinity-users] Re: apologies for the mess!

From: Slávek Banko via tde-users <ml-migration-agent@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 02:05:37 +0200
On Tuesday 08 of September 2020 00:45:27 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users 
> On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users 
> > So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the
> > topic within the thread.
> >
> > If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not
> > just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related
> > threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but
> > haven't seen them myself).
> How is that possible? If you change the subject line of an email, how
> does that cause rejected emails to suddenly be re-sent (as you say
> happened to you).
> Where are these 293 comments being dragged in from?
> It is not practical to demand that subject lines never be changed.
> Different mailers have different conventions for whether they use "Re"
> or something else when replying, and sometimes due to topic drift the
> right thing to do is to change the subject line. For example, adding
> "SOLVED" to a problem once it is solved.
> We should start a new thread for entirely unrelated and new topics, but
> we should rename a sub-thread once it has drifted away from the original
> topic. For example:
>     TDE is awesome
>     +-- Re: TDE is awesome
>     +-- Re: TDE is awesome
>     |   +-- Re: TDE is awesome
>     |
>     |   |   +-- Now with even more awesomeness [was TDE is awesome]
>     |   |       +-- Re: Now with even more awesomeness
>     |
>     |   +-- Re: TDE is awesome
>     +-- Re: TDE is awesome


I need to clarify the information a bit.

The 293 comments are not something Bill has caused in bulk recently, but 
the total number of comments in a single thread that began in February 
2018 and was confused by the fact that several other threads were started 
inside that thread that were completely unrelated to the original. This is 
because instead of sending a completely new message, the "initial" message 
of the new thread was created in response to an old message from an 
unrelated thread.

You can see the mentioned thread here:

Note that inside the thread "I just resubscribed,..." you can find other 
threads like:

+ tips on getting TDE to run smoothly
+ how to enable mouse keys by default or command-line?
+ quick & dirty - installation & backup
+ my vanishing root partition
+ my rebellious lower panel
+ can burn DVDs but not CDs
+ a perfectly good system shot to hell
+ network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged
+ LTS has less security
+ system colors & permission problems
+ Brother printer - comments?
+ aptoncd rejects tde-trinity pkgs
+ pulseaudio conflicts with my TDE 
+ antiX - debian-based distro - no systemd
+ how to restore/reconfigure lost wireless connection?
+ how to re-index Kmail
+ wireless interface not recognized on boot
+ chat clients - cannot connect
+ Devuan netinstall with TDE as option?

+ ...and some more until recently ...

+ ksystraycmd & panel hiding
+ network-manager-tde - dependency issues
+ how to get tdenetworkmanager - with no wicd ?

I assume that from this example it is clear what is the subject of the said 
mess. Of course, adding a "SOLVED" or extending a subject is not a problem 
as long as it's still the same related thread.

This problem was not visible on the old mailing list archive, because the 
threads were not followed thoroughly and, above all, they were not 
followed beyond the edges of the months.

The new archive can track threads in detail. Therefore, a thread emerged 
here, which began in 2018 and was confused in this way.

Therefore, it is a good idea to follow a simple rule that a new thread must 
start as a new message, not in response to some unrelated message in which 
the subject and content will be replaced.

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