On Monday 05 October 2020 14:36:37 Sl�vek Banko via tde-users wrote:
> On Monday 05 of October 2020 21:40:08 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> > On Sunday 04 October 2020 11:58:15 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > Anno domini 2020 Sun, 4 Oct 11:52:09 -0700
> > >
> > >  William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
> > > > Now that I checked my own sources.list, it occurred to me to try an
> > > > upgrade, and there are lots of new Trinity packages available.
> > > > However, many of these are language packs that I don't really need:
> > > >
SNIP - see previous posts for the whole list
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to upgrade without also downloading ALL of
> > > > these?!?! I am pretty sure I did not install earlier versions of
> > > > these packages.
> > >
> > > IMO this should not happen. Can't you uninstall them?
> > >
> > > Nik
> > >

> > So ... to add the question to my own non-answer: Are all those language
> > packs, by some chance, included as part of some other packages or
> > metapackages, or whatever?
> >
snip
> > The real question is, How did they get installed in the first place?
> > Assuming that I didn't just go temporarily blind and miss something so
> > obvious, then the next most likely possibility is that they get
> > installed as dependencies for other items, or that they are part of a
> > metapackage. Can anybody answer this question? as I would prefer not to
> > install these or other unwanted packages.
> >
> > Bill
>

> > Are you up to some investigation? 

> fgrep tde-i18n-af-trinity /var/log/aptitude /var/log/apt/history.log
> zfgrep tde-i18n-af-trinity /var/log/aptitude*gz /var/log/apt/history.log*gz 

> > That should help to figure out when it was installed.

> > Nik

The grep commands yield no pertinent information, so far as I can tell. For 
one thing, I don't use aptitude, but always apt-get. However, I modified the 
commands, (hopefully) to include apt-get and apt, and still get nothing 
except that I have purged them already; no log of having installed them. 

WTF?!?! 

> Hi Bill,
>
> these packages certainly do not install automatically, without user
> intervention. The only dependency is that the tde-trinity metapackage has
> the symbolic name "tde-i18n-trinity" (virtual package) set as Suggests
> (less weight than Recommends), which fills all of these language packages.

Only hard dependencies would get installed in my system, no suggests or 
recommends. 

> However, as I mentioned, there would be a necessary collaboration from the
> user to choose to install this virtual package name.
>
> Cheers

Thanks for your responses, both Nik and Slavek. However, I am still puzzled, 
to say the least. Not that it's a critical problem, but I do like to know 
when and why weird things like this occur. 

Also, I will concede the possibiity of human error on my part, and that 
somehow this user interacted in a manner that I must have agreed to their 
installation. And yet, I believe I would have remembered such a long list of 
language packs. 

In the past, I have been guilty of errors or mistakes; for example, 16 April 
1964, and one earlier than that, in February of 1958. Since then, however, I 
have been more vigilant. 

Bill



Bill 
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