On Wednesday 28 October 2020 12:27:12 William Morder via tde-users wrote: > On Wednesday 28 October 2020 07:41:17 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote: > > On Wednesday 28 October 2020 08:04:43 Janek Stolarek wrote: > > > > You have me curious at this point, have neither of you worked in > > > > an office environment before? > > > > > > 1. I haven't. I work at a university, which isn't exactly office. > > > 2. Trinity mailing list is not an office environment. It's a place > > > created for technical discussion for people using TDE and needing > > > help with it. > > > > > > I have no intention (or, in fact, possibility) of forcing my > > > opinion here. If things continue the way they are at the moment > > > I'll probably unsubscribe from the list because I don't feel it > > > serves its intended purpose. > > > > > > Janek > > > > While I, long since retired, and now living alone at 86 yo, (the > > wife is in a rest home under hospice care) usually enjoy the > > chit-chat until its way way off topic, One can make new friends that > > way. So I have no objection to the "community" atmosphere. > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > And I believe that you've hit the crux of the matter, Gene. > > Some people -- forgive my generalizations, but they're probably pretty > close -- have jobs, and must deal with technical issues as part of > their work. As such, anything that veers more than a few inches > off-topic, or which is not strictly business, or which annoys them for > other reasons: well, they must regard our chit-chat not only as a > waste of their time, but indeed as obstacles to whatever they are > trying to do. > > Gene, being retired and living alone now, enjoys the same things that > irritate others on the list. There are about half a dozen, maybe a > dozen of us, who tend to get into these off-topic threads, which > happen gradually at first, but then grow exponentially, like a > snowball effect. I think it's that we get a few kicks out of one > another, but not enough that we want to chat on a regular basis, nor > to get too deeply into one another's lives. > > And I myself probably spend more time on the list at present, but only > because I still have yet to recover data from that hard drive, which > contains about 40 years' of research, my entire digital library, field > research, interviews, along with everything I ever wrote or published > since about the year 1975. My plans for this winter (once I had got my > new printer) were to hole up here like a total hermit, and bring my > materials together into some kind of readable form. And then my hard > drive crashed, and so far I've been stuck, and just spinning wheels. > > If I could only recover my data, then would only rarely see me here, > as I do have better things to do with my time; only I cannot do them > just yet. > > By the way, when one threatens (whether idly or "for real") to > unsubscribe from the mailing list, then you are being > passive-aggressive: if we won't play the game like you demand, you'll > go home. > > But I don't want things to be this way. I would really like everybody > just to get along, and it seems to me that we spend more time > discussing this same ongoing problem than we do in trying to solve it. > If you aren't going to recommend a solution, then you are just > kvetch-kvetch-kvetching again. > > Don't worry, I won't live for ever; I may not even make it more than > another year or two, unless things change dramatically for the better. > And I do have something I want to accomplish yet before that time > comes. If I didn't need to use a computer to finish this work, then I > would never have gone online, never have joined a mailing list, and > the world would be a better place > > As it is, we are stuck with one another, and I suggest that we try to > come up with reasonable, livable solutions, rather than complaining > and wishing for more rules, more control my moderators, censoring or > filtering or whatever other draconian measures some would envision, to > try to control what they regard as chaos, and therefore, > counterproductive or negative. (Some of us rather enjoy chaos.) > > I believe that Slavek, among others, has expressed a wish that we > maintain a friendly and open atmosphere in the mailing list. On the > other hand, we all know that the conversations go so far off-topic > that we might as well be a social network sometimes. > > And this reminds me: I, and others, have mentioned something about > creating a forum, where we could start threads on whatever we wanted, > even (for example) archaeological discoveries in London's underground. > > Then we could keep the mailing list pure and uncluttered by off-topic > stuff, which, one hopes, might keep the strictly-business types > content. > > If anybody else has any actual recommendations or suggestions, then I > think that now would be the time to come forward. Merely wishing for > other people to shut up or quit the list, or threatening to quit the > list oneself: this is not constructive or useful at all. > > And by the way, we waste far more time on these discussions than we do > in occasional chit-chat. > > Bill I personally hate forums. Why? Because you HAVE to goto them, log in and in general mess around 4 or 5 minutes just to see the list, which on some forums like for the rpi's, several hundred screen fulls let alone search thru it to find something interesting, or even any reply's to your plea for help. Email just drops in at 2 minute intervals courtesy of takeing the email suckage away from kmail with fetchmail running as a background daemon, then a wrapper script I wrote years ago that uses inotify-wait to tell kmail to go get the mail that procmail just dumped into /var/mail/ and it uses dbus to tell kmail to go get it. And a quick glance determines whether I answer, or hit the + key for the next one. So other than this typeing, my email is a 2 click operation, once to select the type of reply, and once to send it when I've rattled the current cage sufficiently. Computers should DO work FOR you, not make work. Way too many think jumping thru all those hoops in how it works, to me the challenge is to just make it work FOR you. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@... To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@... Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@...