Hi, First, sorry for the delay of answer for this quite important question. ;) I have read some of the other comments and must say that I agree many of them of course, especially the one that points out the "way of thinking" of KDE4 teams. If I'd make a synthesis, I'd say they are acting as if they were MacOS X developpers but without the legitimacy of it (if it exists ;) ). I've been using Linux since only 6 years and I switched quickly to KDE because it happens to be the set of applications and features I was looking for, simply. And to me, this disappear simply with the 4th version. I think that anyway, the "desktop" manager/set is not that important. By now, xfce or gnome can be customized to nearly act the way one needs for instance and even Gnome 3 (though it lacks of colors management of course). I discuss every day at work with many Linux users and the choice of the desktop looks more and more secondary. About their desktop, and not talking about the distros, they know more the words "Unity" or "Firefox" or "Google Chrome" than what really is Gnome or Gnome-shell... so KDE4, what a joke :D. For the most handy, it's just another "look and feel". I myself been revamping completely my desktops recently, having now two boots with Debian Squeeze and Linux Mint Lisa. At the final, and for the features, they behave exactly the same or near. What I use for Desktop with big displays is Compiz and Cairo-dock. The rest is gtk, Qt or even native X11 + metacity or equivalent and I really care a very little about desktop managers as compiz do what I need or near (even if it still lacks of features in comparison to KDE3/Kdesktop, but what does not ? lol) and I have the ability to switch to TDE looking on both, when needed. So what's is important, imho, is the set of applications and their features (whether common and/or specific). My personal thoughts goes to K3B, Kaffeine, Konqueror, Kate/Kwrite but any KDE application with its settings and common abilities are important (window management, shared settings, ease of use). I miss Kommander, in a way, but nothing can be done about this I think. I'm happy with that. Maybe you simply should focus your efforts on that (my humble user opinion again). Even Kicker does not need any revamping as it does what any dock can do and is needed (even if it is, from far, better than any of the trials to make a decent and usable dock by the KDE4 team). NOW, THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION : KDE4 is still a joke, and it just needs to read this comment (and many of the above of the thread) about a KDE4 fan while he desperately tries to use KDE4 with separate X screens, which is a very handy and basic way to use a desktop with two screens that KDE4 is stil not able to handle WITHOUT THE HELP OF THOSE SO STUPID AND LIMITED LIGHT WEIGHT DESKTOP MANAGERS YOU SHOULD DOWNGRADE TO IF YOU DISLIKE KDE4 LOLOLOLOLOL. I always used my desktop with separate X screens, and KDE3 was from far the best way to it as, well, it just doesn't care about you having 1, 2 or 25 screens displays : it just works ! Just read here and laugh : http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=12180&sid=afd964cc5401c04ae1520cb2875dbbbb&start=45#p208466 They even try to point out to X11 as responsible. That's just pitiful. SO : KEEP UP !!!! That's all If you're interested, just take a look to my (nearly) present desktops : http://plmegalo.deviantart.com/art/Debian-Solid-Steel-282752616 http://plmegalo.deviantart.com/art/Mint-Elegance-280411306 Pierre Le samedi 11 f�vrier 2012 � 17:53 -0600, Timothy Pearson a �crit : > A hypothetical poll for users here.... > > If TDE were to close down, which desktop would you use instead? You would > be allowed to abandon Linux entirely in this scenario. ;-) > > Please state why you have not already switched; i.e. what item are missing > or suboptimal in the other environment. > > I am curious as to why TDE still exists and need some concrete examples to > fall back on to counter detractors. > > Thanks! > > Tim > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@... > Read list messsages on the Web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ > Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting > >