On Thursday 28 June 2012 22:18:03 Lou Gogan wrote:


> I do understand that the developers are busy working on R14 - the NEXT
> GREATEST THING - with the WOW factor!!!! (you remember the WOW factor?) but
> what is the point if the previous version doesn't work?  8:(

Where does this jibe come from?  Presumably from your frustration?  I have 
never heard R14 described as having the WOW factor.  Indeed, if I had, you 
wouldn't see me for dust.  I hate the WOW factor.  I like a DE that 
concentrates on usability not bling.  Nor is it believed to be the next 
greatest thing.  As I understand it, there was a discussion about whether to 
iron the bugs out of 3.5.13 or go straight for 14.  I felt that the decision 
was the wrong one, and so, luckily, apparently did Sl�vek.  But if I am not 
going to do things for myself, whatever the reason, I just have to accept 
what other people are prepared to offer.

But this is Open Source.  You are at liberty to rewrite bits that you don't 
like, as indeed am I.  So I lean on people, but do not feel justified in 
criticising the things they do.

But the problems with Ubuntu seem to be far greater than those with Debian so 
I solve one problem by avoiding Ubuntu.  (I have always found Ubuntu too 
buggy for me.)

> This seems to be exactly the same attitude towards the end user as the
> other DE developers, or am I wrong?  8^}

In this you are wrong.  The developers here give an enormous amount of time to 
helping individuals and working on TDE.  But they have too few resources (= 
too little money) and not nearly enough people.

> Is there a different installation page with instructions of how to obtain a
> working version of trinity? Is there a working version?

I have never read the Ubuntu page, so cannot comment.

> Please tell me that I am wrong about everything and there is a simple
> explanation for all this. AND there is a working version! - hidden
> somewhere! Or are you the kde4 team having a laugh? !!

Well, there are certainly working versions.  I can only speak for Debian, but 
on Debian 6.x (Squeeze) TDE 3.5.12 runs perfectly, so far without a problem.  
With 3.5.13 the situation is not quite as good, but, with the addition of 
Slavek's repositories, runs acceptably, tho' I have hit a couple of small  
irritating problems, which could be bugs.  I shall be bringing them to this 
list for help.

Incidentally, the original cause of bugs being accepted on release, in my 
opinion, was that TDE was originally intended for Ubuntu, and tried to keep 
the same release pattern - i.e., after 6 months release, and then sort out 
the bugs if you have time while preparing the next release.

We seem now to have a more stable attitude, and the developers aim to have a 
release more or less stable by the time they release it, and I think that 
Debian now probably holds the preeminent postion.  Well, I would say that, 
wouldn't I? ;-)  

Anyhow, don't give up.  TDE is perfectly usable and quite a few of us use it.  
It is doing its best to keep KDE 3.x alive and maintain its ethos.  And the 
developers are great.  I never cease to be amazed at the way they get stuck 
in at the coal face and help us all.

This is the most friendly and helpful list I have ever been on.  So far I have 
seen no bitching or snide remarks.

So give us a chance. :-)

Lisi